Author Topic: Croydon, Code 53J, entering timed pedestrian zone, Lodge Rd, Croydon by Elmwood Rd  (Read 371 times)

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Hello!

Code 53J: Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone. From my point of view it was an emergency and the sat nav missguided me, I saw the sign but it was too late to pick another route.

My wife was at the GP in the morning with strong abdominal pain (around 9am) then around 3pm she was feeling unwell and called me to come home from work as she was in strong pain and was worried she may collapse. Problem is she didnt want to go to hospital till Sunday (so 2 days later I can have my first proof with a paper from A&E I highly doubt anybody will even consider this as a legit explanation even though they referred her for a procedure and gave here sick note from hospital for 2 weeks but all of that happened the next week. (She at GP on friday morning, Offence on friday afternoon, first a&e on sunday, second a&e sunday/monday night)

Second thing is my satnav guided me via that road as I was not very familiar with the neighborhood as I work in different spots every 1/2 weeks. Another thing is I noticed the sign when it was too late. You can see the whole roundabout was clogged so there was no other way to go then forward.

I am almost sure that appealing and trying to justify this as emergency use is highly unlikely to work. Do I have any other options in this situation? I have a lot of things going on around my wife's health and I dont really want to deal with this right now alone. Obviously I would like to avoid paying it as I just feel its just an unfair way to farm money. I am not an native speaker as well so would appreciate any help with creating a proper appeal if it makes any sense in doing so. Thank you


PCN Number:
CR22426483
Vehicle Registration Number:
CK70YDN

Map: https://maps.app.goo.gl/6EQ4wGzYZrWfKvBn8

Council video:

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Oh dear, another satnav-generated PCN ! Video does show a crowded mini-roundabout, but the signs would have been visible as they are mounted quite high up, and there were no high-sided vehicles in the roundabout view that could have blocked them.

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I am almost sure that appealing and trying to justify this as emergency use is highly unlikely to work. Do I have any other options in this situation?

You don't have any other options in the enforcement process, but several appeals have recently been won at London Tribunals on technical issues within the enforcement process. These are unrelated to the actual contravention, and based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process.  However, I haven't seen Croydon in any of these yet.

Rather than cough=up straightaway, you could submit some reps based on your narrative, emphasising that your mind was disturbed at the time due to your wife's medical issue. Usually these just get a Fob-Off letter, but they do at least give us more time to investigate the 'technical' appeal aspect. If you submit your reps within the discount period, they will usually re-offer the discount when rejecting them.

I believe their website is still in tatters.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Oh dear, another satnav-generated PCN ! Video does show a crowded mini-roundabout, but the signs would have been visible as they are mounted quite high up, and there were no high-sided vehicles in the roundabout view that could have blocked them.

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I am almost sure that appealing and trying to justify this as emergency use is highly unlikely to work. Do I have any other options in this situation?

You don't have any other options in the enforcement process, but several appeals have recently been won at London Tribunals on technical issues within the enforcement process. These are unrelated to the actual contravention, and based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process.  However, I haven't seen Croydon in any of these yet.

Rather than cough=up straightaway, you could submit some reps based on your narrative, emphasising that your mind was disturbed at the time due to your wife's medical issue. Usually these just get a Fob-Off letter, but they do at least give us more time to investigate the 'technical' appeal aspect. If you submit your reps within the discount period, they will usually re-offer the discount when rejecting them.

Thank you. I did submit my rep explaining everything as best I can while also supplying all proofs from gp/hospital. But I do have one question: That last sentence means they will hold the amount due inc discount or in full(160)?

"Please note that it will be logged to the relevant team for investigation and they will respond in due course. The statutory response times are 56 for formal representations and 90 days for informal representations. Please note that the current amount due will be held whilst we are dealing with the matter."

The "current amount due" is worked out from the day your reps arrive at their office. If submitted inside the discount period, that is what they will demand if they reject your reps. That's my take on it, anyway.

OP, what it means is largely irrelevant unless you intend to pay before getting their response.

Could we see your actual reps pl and the PCN(to check for conformity and date of issue from which the discount period can be calculated).



OP, what it means is largely irrelevant unless you intend to pay before getting their response.

Could we see your actual reps pl and the PCN(to check for conformity and date of issue from which the discount period can be calculated).
The postal PCN and the PCN, issued May 1st 2025, are in the opening post.

Has the website representations page been investigated?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2025, 09:21:10 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Enceladus, thanks.

For others, what is the current position with adjudicators on conflating the payment period(beginning on date of notice) and reps period(beginning on date of service) into a single sentence subject to '28 days beginning on date of service'?

I used to use it with varying success. Most of the adjudicators who allowed it have now left.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r