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and post up both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link to the location.

The rest of the PCN please.

Here's the reverse of the PCN

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru27eMd07INQ3iXD5?e=MM8SUJ

Thank you H C Andersen for alerting me to that.

Here is the signage

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3TkiDnTT7xWTluR?e=cXoXkn

This makes reference to the London Borough of Redbridge (off street parking places) Order 2013 as amended. I've trawled through the internet but can't find it. Does anyone have access to it please or know where I can find it?

It also shows the "regulations" the breach of which gives rise to a PCN. As I've previously mentioned, these do not include parking properly in bays. Should they for it to be enforceable?



Here is the photo showing my daughter's car being parked outside the bay. She reverse parked between two other cars and didn't even see the marked bay at the time as it was hidden.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AgBjZaEfjV0Ru3UrtRFh5r_mrQ00?e=WuEI5Y

I propose the following representations, any comments or suggestions please?

PCN No AF
Reg No
These are my representations against the above PCN
I reverse parked between two other cars and did not realise that my wheel was over the white line as I thought it was a parking space. When I returned to my car, the other cars had gone, revealing that my wheel was over the line.

At present, I do not believe that the PCN should have been issued.

I paid for a valid parking session within the instructions given on the tariff/ parking signage.

The regulations shown on the signage state:

“No parking on red or yellow lines, pavements, grassed areas or passing bays. Vehicles must not cause an obstruction. Failure to comply with the above will result in a PCN being issued”

There is nothing on the signage which requires cars to be parked properly in marked bays failing which a PCN will be issued. I therefore followed the regulations.

The signage also states that the car park is subject to the London Borough of Redbridge (off street parking places) Order 2013.

I have been unable to locate a copy of this order. It does not exist anywhere on the internet, it is not on the LBR website, I have contacted both the LBR offices and the central library at Ilford, neither of whom have a copy.

There is also a telephone number on the signage which states:
“For all enquiries please contact Vision RCL 020 8500 9911”
This gets you through to the boathouse at Fairlop Waters and they have no clue about the parking arrangements for the car park. Totally misleading.

I respectfully request that, as there appears to be nothing which directs a driver to park within the marked bays, the PCN is cancelled.

If you decide not to accept my representations, I require you to send me a copy of the aforementioned Order so that I can decide whether to appeal.

H T

@Staygulf the order is The London Borough of Redbridge (Off-Street Parking Places) Order 2013 as amended by The London Borough of Redbridge (Off-Street Parking Places) (Amendment No, 2) Order 2013, The London Borough of Redbridge (Off-Street Parking Places) (Amendment No, 1) Order 2016 and The Redbridge (Off-Street Parking Places) (Amendment No.2) Order 2017

The council photos do not prove any contravention at all, as they don't show any signage whatsoever (you do not want to alert the council to this deficiency in their evidence):













In these circumstances less is more, as you don't want to make any unnecessary self-incriminating admissions. I'd suggest a much shorter representation which the council is unlikely to give any proper consideration to, but that will be clear to the adjudicator:



Send this via the council website and make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.

Just to be clear, are you saying that reference on the pay meter to the Order is not enough, they have to include a reference to parking within bays specifically?

I'm not sure what you mean by "that reference on the pay meter",  but the council is under a duty to put signs up that tell you what the effect of the order is. If the order says to park only in marked bays, there need to be signs that tell you that, because when you park your car you're not going to look up the order (which isn't easy to find anyway) and start reading through a 20 page legal document.

Any instructions on the pay and display machines are irrelevant because the signs say that parking for blue badge holders is free, so a blue badge holder would have no reason to go and look at the pay & display machines.