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Hi all,

The family and I have been in and out of hospital the past 2 weeks, and have just not had the chance to check all of our mail. I just spotted this PCN from Redbridge council for "failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone". I believe i have until Monday, 9 June 2025 (tomorrow) to reply to be inside the 14 day discount period.

The address details are vague with no postal code. And when i tried checking online, i couldn't seem to login to th redbridge portal nut it could be that the service is down.

Any advice?

Are there any grounds for appeal here?





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I'll do a draft later and check it out. Looks like a schools street one again.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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@Hippocrates
Thank you for taking a look. Look forward to the template and advice.
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@Hippocrates
Did you get a chance to look at that draft?
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I still don't seem to be able to login using the PCN AF20158451 and vehicle registration number LR13ASV. May this be a PCN registration issue or me being a numpty?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2025, 11:39:28 am by bigred247 »
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Quote from: bigred247 on June 09, 2025, 11:24:08 am
I still don't seem to be able to login using the PCN AF20158451 and vehicle registration number LR13ASV. May this be a PCN registration issue or me being a numpty?

Are you trying the first of the two options from this page?

https://www.redbridge.gov.uk/parking/challenge-a-parking-ticket/

It should be the one that says "PCN starts with either AF1, AF2, AF4 or AF5, challenge the PCN here"
Not the one that says "PCN starts with any other number not listed above, challenge the PCN here"


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@Martyn21uk
Thanks for pointing that out. It was me being a numpty.
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I have two cases shortly but will get back later this evening.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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@Hippocrates
Thank you.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2025, 06:05:02 pm by bigred247 »
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Just bumping this as the discount period expires tonight and eager to get this over the line.
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I believe for Redbridge many of these PCNs are having appeals allowed due to the presence of the "Term Time Only" sign on the blue plate underneath the actual restriction sign. My understanding is that adjudicators have stated that drivers can't be expected to check when term time is, the signs should have it all on there.

Keep that in your back pocket in case you don't receive a response by the end of the day but I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will respond.
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@rsg444
Thank you for the advice. I will definitely keep that in the back pocket just in case.
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Found this on google maps from Sept 24.

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I just cooked up this draft as a backup just in case. Not sure its that great but worth a punt. I'll hold of til 1130pm'ish otherwise will make reps.

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to make formal representations against the issuance of the above Penalty Charge Notice, served for an alleged contravention under code 52M — Failing to comply with a restriction on motor vehicles (motor vehicles prohibited) at Rutland Road on 26 May 2025.

My representation is based on the following grounds:

1) Unenforceable and Ambiguous Signage – “Term Time Only”
The restriction signage at this location displays the following text:

“Mon–Fri 8.00–9.15am and 2.45–4.00pm – Term-time only”

There is no indication of specific dates or term periods. It is not lawful or reasonable to expect a motorist to know or check school term dates while driving. The signage therefore fails to clearly convey the restriction and has been found unenforceable in similar cases at London Tribunals.

Adjudicators have repeatedly ruled that “term-time only” restrictions must show defined date ranges or risk being invalid, as seen in publicly referenced cases on the London Tribunals website under Adequacy of Signs and Lines.

2) No Advance Warning / Safe Diversion
There is no advance signage before this restriction to warn unfamiliar drivers or allow a legal diversion. The restriction appears suddenly and is difficult to comply with safely.

3) Request for Evidence
I request the following:

- The Traffic Management Order in force for this restriction.
- Evidence of how term-time dates are communicated to drivers at this location.
- Certification of the enforcement camera.

Due to the lack of clear signage and the legal ambiguity of “term-time only” restrictions, I respectfully request cancellation of this PCN.
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Hi all,

Just recieved an NOR from redbridge. Any advice here? Do I simply rely on my initial representation when appealing to London Tribunals?



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