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Hello , Need some advice please.

Parked and have paid for parking on road in Redbridge area. The sign post says Pay by Phone with a location number. I paid by phone using the same location number.
I have received the confirmation on my mobile that the parking is valid for an hour.

I cam back to the car before an hour , and found a parking ticket. We immediately appealed using the screen shots i received on my mobile that the parking ticket was paid . After few days , i received a ticket to home saying the appeal has been rejected on the ground that i should have used Ringo app rather than pay by phone. I do have Ringo app aswell , But i followed the sign post and paid via Pay by phone.

I have mentioned the same and written to council that the Parking was paid , along with the proof and along with the sign post picture. Still that was rejected saying they have already replied to me in earlier communication that the appeal is rejected.

The council parking officer mentioned , no further appeals can be accepted before full 28days and asked me to wait for final ticket of 80£ . Then i am eligible to appeal further.

Now i have received the full Notice ticket . I am thinking to appeal now with all the evidence i have. Can you advice on this matter please? I am not happy to pay but want to fight as i have paid the parking charge and i have the evidence. Kindly suggest.Many regards and Thank you In Advance.


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Please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here both sides of the PCN and all sides of the subsequent correspondence to and from the Council, with a GSV link to the location.

Only redact yr name & address from documents - leave all else in.

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Hi my PCN AF08947587 ,
Redbridge Council , ilford. I’m attaching relevant photo Evidence

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Below is the email communication attachment

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Attaching pay by phone receipt and ticket evidence

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“Cp8759” the gsv link as below https://maps.app.goo.gl/UqCuGocUQYtYNYXXA?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy


Could you please kindly help. Many thanks

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These cases often turn on detail and here 'Pay by phone' on the sign does not have the p for phone capitalised. There are cases where adjudicators have allowed the assumption it is the PayByPhone app as below and maybe not just if there is a cap P but we need to look at this to see if RingGo was clearly flagged say on the post.

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Case reference   2240405891
Appellant   xxxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Redbridge
VRM   R17JAJ
   
PCN Details
PCN   AF07349477
Contravention date   04 Jun 2024
Contravention time   14:30:00
Contravention location   Westwood Road
Penalty amount   N/A
Contravention   Parked without payment of the parking charge
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   21 Nov 2024
Adjudicator   Carl Teper
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   The Appellant has attended with his daughter.
The Enforcement Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge when in Westwood Road on 4 June 2024 at 14:30.
The Appellant's case is that he parked and saw the sign plate that indicated a motorist should pay by phone. He then proceeded to use the pay by phone app on his mobile to pay for parking time - a receipt is produced in evidence.
I have considered all the evidence in this case and I find, on a balance of probabilities, that this PCN cannot be upheld.
I have preferred the evidence of the Appellant to that of the Authority's in relation to signage, and I find that the location where the Appellant had parked his vehicle is confirmed by the photograph he has submitted. This is also confirmed by 'Google Maps' to the extent that the '2' on the pole is the same as that on the Appellant's photograph.
Further, I find, on a balance of probabilities, that the CEO's photo shot of a sign plate was on the other side of the road to where the Appellant was parked.
The point here is that I find that the pole with the 'RingGo' sign on it was on the other side of the road to where the Appellant's vehicle was parked, and therefore, not relevant to his parking.
It may well not be the Authority's fault that the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 uses the same words as the pay by phone app, to indicate that payment by phone is required. However, it is also not the Appellant's fault.
I find that the scenario in this case is even more convoluted due to the similarity of Westwood Road and West Street. I also note that the location number is the same in relation to both locations, which is 7178. Parking is not supposed to be an IQ test or requiring some sort of academic research.
Accordingly, I find that in the rare circumstances of this case, as detailed above, that there is justifiable confusion and ambiguity in relation to this parking incident in Westwood Road on 4 June 2024.
The law, in relation to where an Adjudicator finds that there is an ambiguity, is that it cannot be enforced against the party it disadvantages.
The appeal is allowed.
   

Re: Redbridge council parking ticket
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These cases often turn on detail and here 'Pay by phone' on the sign does not have the p for phone capitalised. There are cases where adjudicators have allowed the assumption it is the PayByPhone app as below and maybe not just if there is a cap P but we need to look at this to see if RingGo was clearly flagged say on the post.

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Case reference   2240405891
Appellant   xxxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Redbridge
VRM   R17JAJ
   
PCN Details
PCN   AF07349477
Contravention date   04 Jun 2024
Contravention time   14:30:00
Contravention location   Westwood Road
Penalty amount   N/A
Contravention   Parked without payment of the parking charge
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   21 Nov 2024
Adjudicator   Carl Teper
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   The Appellant has attended with his daughter.
The Enforcement Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked without payment of the parking charge when in Westwood Road on 4 June 2024 at 14:30.
The Appellant's case is that he parked and saw the sign plate that indicated a motorist should pay by phone. He then proceeded to use the pay by phone app on his mobile to pay for parking time - a receipt is produced in evidence.
I have considered all the evidence in this case and I find, on a balance of probabilities, that this PCN cannot be upheld.
I have preferred the evidence of the Appellant to that of the Authority's in relation to signage, and I find that the location where the Appellant had parked his vehicle is confirmed by the photograph he has submitted. This is also confirmed by 'Google Maps' to the extent that the '2' on the pole is the same as that on the Appellant's photograph.
Further, I find, on a balance of probabilities, that the CEO's photo shot of a sign plate was on the other side of the road to where the Appellant was parked.
The point here is that I find that the pole with the 'RingGo' sign on it was on the other side of the road to where the Appellant's vehicle was parked, and therefore, not relevant to his parking.
It may well not be the Authority's fault that the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 uses the same words as the pay by phone app, to indicate that payment by phone is required. However, it is also not the Appellant's fault.
I find that the scenario in this case is even more convoluted due to the similarity of Westwood Road and West Street. I also note that the location number is the same in relation to both locations, which is 7178. Parking is not supposed to be an IQ test or requiring some sort of academic research.
Accordingly, I find that in the rare circumstances of this case, as detailed above, that there is justifiable confusion and ambiguity in relation to this parking incident in Westwood Road on 4 June 2024.
The law, in relation to where an Adjudicator finds that there is an ambiguity, is that it cannot be enforced against the party it disadvantages.
The appeal is allowed.
   

Hello Stamfordman , thank you for this reference case. On those grounds it does look like there is fair ground of chance I might get this PCN cancelled.
How should I go about this please ?
I have untill 10th June to appeal . I’m looking for a template that I could use ?
I have received this 28day letter , there is a section where I could represent. should I be using that?
Thank you for the advice
Regards



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Re: Redbridge council parking ticket
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OP, the correspondence and notices are scattered through this thread, could you pl bring them together. We need the PCN (both sides), confirmation of your payment, your initial reps, their rejection and the NTO. IMO, we don't need the other exchanges.

NTO dated 14 May gives a 28-day period ending on 12 June.

As I understand it, the sign directs motorists to 'Pay by phone' by calling a specified telephone number and quoting a stated location.

You did not phone the telephone number but instead chose a method of your own, namely an 'app'. 

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The challenge and rejection don't amount to anything.

NTO date 14 may.

I see no RingGo sign in council pics.

OP's receipts also don't show a wrong location.








« Last Edit: May 30, 2025, 12:02:15 pm by stamfordman »

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Hello stamfordman and HC Andersen , below I’m attaching the first PCN I received and the  communication letter. Hope this is helpful to help me out with your advice.

In the communication , it’s mentioned -“ Pay by Phone informs drivers that they must use their mobile phone to purchase parking session “ - which I did .
It then continues to say - “location codes assigned by different providers, such as Pay by Phone would correspond to entirely different locations “ - this statement is absolutely an unclear statement that’s infuriating because the council has put up those sign’s , how would a visitor know that that location number 7180 corresponds to a different location. This is purely misleading information. I’m very confused and seriously considering to fight. Is this worth it ?  Could you please advise on legal wording and any legal advice that would really help . Thank you somuch

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Their letter also falls into the same trap, as they also write "Pay by Phone
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OP, both you and the council are wrong.

You, because you did not comply with the clear requirements conveyed by the sign:

Pay by phone 020........

Only by phoning this number could be you advised of the tariff and purchase parking rights.

Instead, you chose to use an app. You failed to comply with the sign.

The council, because they think that the sign DOES convey an option to use an app, in this case RingGo.

What is at the end of telephone number 020.....?

How could you use their response (which I'm certain would be repeated verbatim in a NOR unless your reps prompted them otherwise) to your advantage in formal reps?

Re: Redbridge council parking ticket
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Hi HC Andersen , here is the number - 02030460010.
I’m still not sure why went online to pay via Pay by Phone. But I subconsciously went to pay online.


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I'm not going to phone it, I leave this to you!