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LBBD - 50r Performing a Prohibited Turn (No Right Turn), Reede Road
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VRN: EN72WYS
PCN: BZ99384714

I've received a PCN for making a prohibited right turn in Dagenham Heathway - a mistake some others on this forums have also made.

It looks like the restriction is relatively new althought not too new as a previous user posted back in Nov 2022.

I make this turn quite frequently and have never seen the signage (not blaming anyone) - I guess for the first time I made it during the restricted hours. There is only the one sign to indicate no right turn.

Not sure I have any challenge here but any help is appreciate.

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Please add all other pages of the PCN
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« Last Edit: July 13, 2023, 12:15:14 am by cp8759 »
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I've added the remaining pages.

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The statutory no right turn sign is not optimally placed, I would argue it is inadequate. It should be placed at the biting point of the restriction so a bit further forward and really it needs to be on the right hand edge of the pavement as you look so it is more readily in a driver's eyeline.

The grounds of representation that are offered do not include that 'You were never the owner' nor that it is the liability for a PCN which must be mentioned not a general liability which could be for damage to the vehicle.

I doubt the council will cancel so there will be 100% of the PCN value at risk at the tribunal if nothing is ultimately to be paid.
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That Order states:-

7. Nothing in this Order shall apply:-

a. To a vehicle being used for Fire brigade, Police or Ambulance purposes;
b. To anything done with the permission or at the direction of a police constable in
uniform; or
c. To any person who causes any vehicle to proceed in accordance with any
restriction or requirement indicated by traffic signs places pursuant to Sections 66
or 67 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act, 1984.

My comments in other threads on this location indicate that the yellow box cannot be controlled by an upright sign. Indeed, a motorist seeing a yellow box may legitimately believe that it is placed in order to facilitate a R/H turn. Ergo 7( c ) above may be a get out.

Under LATOR 1996 the Council must not place Traffic Signs which either confuse or mislead. Have they done so here?

Mick

The above is a comment from MMV Redux from the other forum.

I'm willing to go to tribunal if I have a good chance of winning.
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You have a better than evens chance. I can represent you.
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Thank you MrMustard! I appreciate it. I'm happy to keep challenging all the way to tribunal then.
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How should I proceed?
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Please email me ddishman@creditlimits.co.uk and I will send you an authority letter to sign and then make the representations for you. It will be Sunday before I have time.
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Hi all,

I have an update.

Thanks to MrMustard, the ticket was cancelled - many thanks to him.

The case went to tribunal. In the evidence pack, the council forgot to submit the representations that MrMustard submitted, so the appeal was accepted.
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