Author Topic: Redbridge, 53j - restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Sydney road, Perrymans farm road,  (Read 5019 times)

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The driver of the vehicle got 2 similar tickets in a span of 40 minutes. This is a local road, which is being used by the driver on a daily basis since last 10 years, and suddenly these adhoc signs have been put up by the council recently without any thought.  Also the signs are quite high so difficult to see from the car while driving. These restrictions apply on a specific time, and also during specific days only (term time - which doesn't make any sense to parents who don't have kids in schools).  This is extremely stupid, and to say I am fuming is an understatement, as there is a postoffice adjacent to the Sydney road which is being used on a daily basis and there is a barber haircut adjacent to perrymans farm road which is also being used regularly.  Any way to get these tickets squashed, and also how to teach vermin council a lesson ?

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Google - Sydney road <br>
https://maps.app.goo.gl/5zAJgp24vGTAoFHW8. <br>
Google Perryman farm road. <br>
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9R9YYdhXpJpMcBcF9. <br>
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« Last Edit: July 03, 2025, 03:21:06 pm by flash2005 »

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To access Nisa and Erbil barber the only way to get into Tring Cl (road) is through Perryman farm road.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/tUV3Jiz5JTGx9w6a9

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Sydney road.  Busy high street. Only way to access the car parking spots is through this entrance
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/qvCP6S3Bgpu57u2i8

GSV is out-of-date and doesn't show the signs. Your maps of the alternative routes is nice but irrelevant to your case, I'm afraid.

We need to know what the text is on the blue signs below the restriction signs. It is possible this is a winner as similar cases have been won at London Tribunals, but you must be prepared to forego the discount.

The text in blue says in 3 lines.

School Streets
Restricted Access
Term-time only

Don’t care about discount. This is extremely stupid and needs to be dismissed.

The text in blue says in 3 lines.

School Streets
Restricted Access
Term-time only

Don’t care about discount. This is extremely stupid and needs to be dismissed.
Your best adviser is Hippocrates, who has already taken a similar case to London Tribunals and won. The key words are "Term-time only".  So how are you expected to know what the term-times are ? It is a failure to adhere to Regulation 18 of LATOR 2009
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

Let's start with the signage.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r


Should I file an initial appeal or wait for NTO from the council ?

Let's start with the signage.
I have posted the signage above.  Can you advise on the next steps ?


Should I file an initial appeal or wait for NTO from the council ?
There's no Notice to Owner, this is your sole opportunity to submit reps. You must do this and get a rejection before you can register an appeal with London Tribunals.

Here's the Act you'll see at the top of your PCN
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/contents/enacted


Should I file an initial appeal or wait for NTO from the council ?
There's no Notice to Owner, this is your sole opportunity to submit reps. You must do this and get a rejection before you can register an appeal with London Tribunals.

Here's the Act you'll see at the top of your PCN
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/contents/enacted
I have submitted the appeal to the council now.

What have you written please?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I have uploaded the appeal in the earlier post.  Here it is again

I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice on the following grounds:
1. INADEQUATE SIGNAGE AND VISIBILITY
The recently installed pedestrian zone signage is positioned at an excessive height, making it virtually impossible for drivers to clearly read the restrictions while safely operating their vehicles. The sign placement fails to meet reasonable visibility standards and creates a road safety hazard as drivers must crane their necks upward to read the detailed restrictions.
2. LACK OF PROPER CONSULTATION AND NOTICE
These restrictions appear to have been implemented recently without adequate public consultation or advance notice to residents and local business users. As someone who has used this route daily for over 10 years to access essential local services, there was insufficient time to adapt to these sudden changes.
3. UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION TIMING
The "term-time only" restriction is discriminatory and unclear to residents without school-age children. This arbitrary timing creates confusion for the general public who cannot reasonably be expected to track school term dates, especially given that different schools may have varying term schedules.
4. ESSENTIAL LOCAL ACCESS REQUIRED
I was accessing essential local services, specifically:
The Post Office on Sydney Road
Local businesses including the barber shop on Perrymans Farm Road
These are legitimate destinations that serve the local community, and the restrictions effectively prevent reasonable access to essential services during broad daylight hours.
5. DISPROPORTIONATE ENFORCEMENT
Receiving two identical penalties within 40 minutes demonstrates overzealous enforcement rather than genuine traffic management. This suggests the restrictions are being used as a revenue generation tool rather than for legitimate pedestrian safety purposes.
6. MITIGATION CIRCUMSTANCES
Long-term road user: 10+ years of daily use without previous issues
Essential service access: Accessing Post Office and local businesses
Poor signage visibility: Unable to clearly read restrictions while driving safely
Lack of awareness: No advance notice of restriction changes
Reasonable assumption: Believed access was permitted for essential services

REQUESTED OUTCOME
I respectfully request that this Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled in full on the grounds outlined above. The circumstances demonstrate that this was not a deliberate contravention but rather the result of inadequate signage, insufficient public notice, and unreasonable restrictions that prevent access to essential local services.
SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
Photographic evidence of high-mounted, poorly visible signage
Evidence of essential local business locations requiring access
I look forward to your prompt reconsideration of this matter and the cancellation of this penalty charge.