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Hi All,

I'm back! its like I'm just getting stung for silly mistakes or Im enjoying fighting the council.

This time its for 50u Prohibited Turn, just off York Road onto Cranbrook Road

https://ibb.co/jPZwpgbT
https://ibb.co/S4DKT02m

I got to the end of the road, it was left turn only, however I wanted to turn right. So I took the left turn as the sign stated, when on the main road I performed a u-turn. As far as I know I did not take a right from the side road, which is what is restricted unless I'm wrong?

*Update* - Having googled the contravention, it says there has to be a no U sign, did a GSV and there is one as across the road on the main road, which I deffintily did not see, Guess im screwed now, unless there is a technicality that would work, I guess I cannot say I had not seen it, as I would have been more focussed on watching oncoming traffic from the right?

I'm having a problem finding this location on GSV, so can you post a link to it, please.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Yc5pCqy4XBmNr14i8

The video shows you making your U-turn right by the No U-Turn sign !

I have to say, sorry to say it, but it was a bit naive, knowing you had to make a left turn and thinking the council would not have thought about U-turns that obviously negate the purpose of the sign.

Naive I was, not something I had thought about in that these two signs are supposed to come hand in hand, until I saw the video and GSV, then put 2 and 2 together! let's just say I learnt something new today!

But that sign was not something one would be looking for, ie the 'no left turn' sign is obvious and directly infront of you as you appraoch, so you'll be expected to see that. Then as you turn left, you're focus wouldn't be on the lamp post across the road looking for a sign surely? hence i genuinely missed it.

Hi guys,  would the ground mentioned above work,

Obviously you can try it, but bear in mind that the council will reject it, so it would only get a proper airing at London Tribunals with the full penalty in play.

My view is your case is not a winner at LT. Others may disagree, or there may be a 'technical' appeal argument based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process, but I'm not an expert on these. They do win appeals but the reps have to be very carefully drafted.

The PCN is too vague as it does not clearly state what you are alleged to have done wrong so you just deny it as unclear

Hold fire. I will be back later with a technical argument re the PCN. Plus advice from @mrmustard. Give me a chance to look at the video.

1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign.

2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.

3. https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-53j-perrymans-farm-road-failing-to-comply-with-a-pedestrian-zone-restr/msg95970/#msg9597

In light of the above, please cancel.

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Screenshot all pages as they usually limit to one ground of representation. You have 28 days from the date of service to do this.

Awesome! Holding fire… think we have just around 4 hours left

No no no. More. Don't get spaced out by the 14 day thingy.

Hold fire. I will be back later with a technical argument re the PCN. Plus advice from @mrmustard. Give me a chance to look at the video.

1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign.

2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.

3. https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-53j-perrymans-farm-road-failing-to-comply-with-a-pedestrian-zone-restr/msg95970/#msg9597

In light of the above, please cancel.

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Screenshot all pages as they usually limit to one ground of representation. You have 28 days from the date of service to do this.

So I’ll send a appeal now stating  contravention didn’t occur with the following 2 reason

1. The U turn signage is not clear as there is only one sign (and at a location difficult to see when turning as one would be looking for pedestrians and potential oncoming danger?)

2. The alleged infraction is de minimis.


Is point 3 more for information only as an example of another case won? Or is it referring to also mentioning ‘missing mandatory information as provided at
Para. 4 (8 ) (v)’ as an other reason? Or -‘ I to specially reference the ftla post in my appeal?

P.s all pages where copied above or are you referring to screenshotting the reasons shown at the appeal page?