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Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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Asking on the off chance this is worth challenging.


Somehow missed the signage and drove into the restricted road.

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Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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@samislango your first link doesn't work so I can't see the PCN, please read this and post the PCN. The signage certainly doesn't look adequate.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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https://ibb.co/album/K0qgSP

Hi, I was previously anjumanji on the other site. This is the link to the album.

« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 01:46:06 pm by samislango »

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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https://ibb.co/sg0MYKz

From the other site.  The taken without consent ground limits to theft.

The TWOC ground clearly limits to theft and therefore does not correctly express the statutory ground because a relative or friend may have taken the vehicle without consent, which does not necessitate an obligation to report such circumstance to the Police or, indeed, make an insurance claim.


Other point:  foliage as per Schofeldt.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 02:07:46 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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6 Chadwick Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/NQShsRkK1HNUZ5Pg8

Street View of location

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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@cp8759: legal necessity for an arrow on the road to turn left?  Right.  Sorry!
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 02:29:50 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I don't think that's a legal necessity, it's a question of whether the signage is adequate.

@samislango please can you give us the PCN number? Also are you able to go and check if the no left turn sign is still visible?
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I don't think that's a legal necessity, it's a question of whether the signage is adequate.

@samislango please can you give us the PCN number? Also are you able to go and check if the no left turn sign is still visible?

It's visible on the cctv pictures provided. It's the first picture in my album with the red circle.

PCN AF9814008A

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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The problem here is the no left hand turn was passed too.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I'm happy to pay it and take advantage of the discount if contesting it will be tricky.


Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I advise making representations re the foliage and the technical argument to test their reply.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 03:00:13 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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Ok, I'll do that today. Thanks

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
« Reply #12 on: »
Ok, I'll do that today. Thanks

Wait on:  draft here first please. PM sent.  I will suggest one shortly.

Dear Sirs

Ref:  PCN

      VRM

I make these formal representations against the issue of the PCN:

1. The signage was unclear as it was covered with foliage.

2. If there had been an arrow on the road instructing me to turn right, this would have been more effective.

3. I bring a collateral challenge on the basis that the PCN is unenforceable because the taken without consent ground clearly fetters to theft by its very wording that a crime report be provided. Therefore, this inaccurate reflection of the statutory ground does not take into account that a relative, or friend, may have taken the vehicle without the owner's permission so that the owner would not necessarily, if at all, report the matter to the Police in such circumstances or, indeed, make an insurance claim.

4.  I also challenge that the PCN, to my mind, conflates the periods of payment and making representations.

Therefore, in light of the above, please cancel the PCN.

Yours faithfully

Name (Registered keeper)

Address

************************

cp may well not agree with the last point;  but, let's see what they say!  The TWOC ground has more weight
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 03:07:31 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I did start drafting an appeal but I see you've kindly done one that reads much better than my effort!

I'll furnish the details and will send today.

I'll post up on the other site too unless you've already done it.

Re: Redbridge 33J using route restricted to certain vehicles
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I'm attempting to complete the online form as referenced on the PCN ( www.redbridge.gov.uk/parkingPCN ) but am struggling to find it on the council site. I only get the option to pay.

Scrap that, I managed to find it and have sent the representations.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 03:56:54 pm by samislango »