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Hi,

I have received 2 penalty charge notices for going through a bus lane, Both times the same bus lane at around a time which was within 5 minutes of each other, ( i was lost)

I received a letter dates 21/02 and then another 24/02.

They are suggested to be discounted to £35 each - which i was going to go ahead and pay. However on is £70 although it has not still even been 21 days on that either, they are both within the dates to be £35.

I am going to call them tmrw and see what the issue is,

However whilst i was not going to challenge it, it got me thinking if they can make errors on that there maybe other errors.

There is now only sa few days left for the £35 to become £70 so not sure of worth challenging or what options i have.

Thank you for your help

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Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Sorry, but no good without some hard facts to work on, so please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Thank you. Here are the 2 tickets / I have embedded them but i cant see them as part of the post. Please advise.



« Last Edit: March 18, 2025, 01:54:18 am by Collateral »

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Thank you. Here are the 2 tickets / I have embedded them but i cant see them as part of the post. Please advise.




You have to use a hosting site then post a link to it. It's in the instructions I posted. Forum doesn't have enough space for much. It means we don't have to pay a lot.

Please also post a GSV link to the location.



Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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See this thread:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/34j-being-in-a-bus-lane-lancashire/
That's the location for the first PCN
Here's the second location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fPxt7j2TzEfacjKS7

Looks like the OP drove all the way up Corporation Street and hence passed the two bus gates.  We need to see all pages of the PCN to see if the same fatal errors are present. There is a warning about the bus gate before one gets t them: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o63qKeBZbdPfEBY99

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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See this thread:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/34j-being-in-a-bus-lane-lancashire/
That's the location for the first PCN
Here's the second location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fPxt7j2TzEfacjKS7

Looks like the OP drove all the way up Corporation Street and hence passed the two bus gates.  We need to see all pages of the PCN to see if the same fatal errors are present. There is a warning about the bus gate before one gets t them: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o63qKeBZbdPfEBY99

So do you need to see the back of the PCN? As all the driver and pictures info is on the first page / the back is about how to pay the charge.

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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So do you need to see the back of the PCN? As all the driver and pictures info is on the first page / the back is about how to pay the charge.

Yes. You'd be surprised how often there are errors in the 'small print' which are fatal to a PCN's enforcement. Until the experts here have a look, they cannot spot any errors.


Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Here are the links to the back of the PCN. Thank you.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dq8swy65o6rf0j7gk56p6/Photo-21-03-2025-17-26-21.jpg?rlkey=5650fiq3qy035znte2v20xno4&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9vq2jhugrsxqj0p6f7k3j/Photo-21-03-2025-17-26-26.jpg?rlkey=yudesn27197cx2g9bjjuap4d0&dl=0
Sorry, but it doesn't look complete. The statutory grounds surely go onto another page ? At the moment we can only see Page 2 but there is page 3 & 4.


Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Ok.So the PCN looks compliant to me. I'm not sure what else you might submit reps on, maybe ask for the second PCN to be cancelled as you were lost and it is a disproportionate penalty for a simple mistake.

Certainly I think that whilst there is little so far to submit reps on, it is always worthwhile to submit them, even if on the basis of "please take pity on me, a stranger to your city who got lost".
« Last Edit: March 21, 2025, 11:29:50 pm by Incandescent »

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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Sorry for my if ignorance. What is reps and how do I submit them.

Re: Received 2 PCN for entering a bus lane in Preston, lancashire
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IMO, the '28-day period' has been misstated.

This occurs in 2 stages. The first is clearly mandatory, the second less prescribed but arguably of equal weight.

The first reference is on page 1 and is the warning regarding the implications of neither making representations[in accordance with reg 5 of the Appeals regs] nor paying the penalty within the 28-day period:


(f)that if after the last day of the period referred to in sub-paragraph (d)—

(i)no representations have been made in accordance with regulation 5 of the 2022 Appeals Regulations, and

(ii)the penalty charge has not been paid,

the enforcement authority may increase the penalty charge by the amount of any applicable surcharge and take steps to enforce payment of the charge as so increased,

(d) that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred,

The regs don't prescribe form of language to be used to convey (f)(i) and in this case the authority have chosen:

'..representations which are made after the end of this 28 day period['within 28 days of the date on which this notice was served'] may be disregarded.'

And IMO it's wrong.

There's only one '28-day period' and it's 28 days beginning on the day of service, not within 28 days because the latter adds a day which in this case could leave the keeper exposed because they'd risk becoming liable to a surcharge penalty.

Some thoughts for discussion or destined for the long grass!