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I just received a PCN this morning in this exact same spot in front of the dropped kerb on Hopton Road in Streatham. Glad I found this forum as I will be appealing.

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I just received a PCN this morning in this exact same spot in front of the dropped kerb on Hopton Road in Streatham. Glad I found this forum as I will be appealing.

Please to have a read of https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and to start your own thread.

@gge12 I have split out this topic from the other thread, please post up the documents required by the guidance which John U.K. has pointed you to.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

« Last Edit: June 10, 2024, 02:10:02 pm by gge12 »

1. You have redacted the PCN and VRM.
2. You have not included the second side of the PCN.

We need all this info. to help you.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Ok let's try again:



« Last Edit: June 16, 2024, 01:28:31 am by cp8759 »

Council photos do not show any contravention:

















@gge12 you can use the same draft I prepared for the other thread:

Dear London Borough of Lambeth,

It is only a contravention to park adjacent to a dropped kerb if the kerb has been lowered for one of the statutory purposes listed in section 86 of the Traffic Management Act 2004. It is obvious from the Google Street View history that this particular dropped kerb was originally installed as a bin access ramp for the bins stored in Stanedge Court, see the image from July 2008 at https://maps.app.goo.gl/TSeQBmMtahEK7yreA

It might have been arguable that the lowered kerb could also be used by cyclists entering or leaving the carriageway, and there is nothing to suggest that a "dual purpose" lowered kerb could not be enforced under section 86.

However by September 2020 access to this lowered kerb from Stanedge Court had been blocked off by the installation of a permanent fence, as shown by the image at https://maps.app.goo.gl/xt9in4vkLXkPxhxs6

That fence was present at the time of the alleged contravention and as far as I am aware, is still there.

As such the kerb no longer fulfills any of the statutory purposes at section 86 of the TMA 2004, even if one accepts that the kerb was ever lowered for the purposes of the statute.

I refer you to the case of Abigail Mendy v London Borough of Enfield (2160476330, 4 January 2017) and while I know councils love the mantra that first-instance cases are not binding, there is simply no reason to suppose the tribunal would reach a different conclusion in this instance.

In light of the above the alleged contravention did not occur, and the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


Submit this online and please make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page. It seems likely the council will reject, but as with the other thread it's hard to see how the council could win this at the tribunal.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Thanks, will let you know how I get on.

When you say there is no contravention in the photos do you mean in terms of potential access that I am blocking? I noticed in response to the other member's appeal for same PCN, Lambeth said that the dropped kerb is necessary to allow pedestrian and bike access to the road etc.

When you say there is no contravention in the photos do you mean in terms of potential access that I am blocking? I noticed in response to the other member's appeal for same PCN, Lambeth said that the dropped kerb is necessary to allow pedestrian and bike access to the road etc.
That's just a BS response from the council, it's blatantly obvious that that kerb was lowered for the access that has since been blocked off. There is no cycle path on that pavement nor is there a kerb lowered for pedestrians on the other side of the road. If you look at the kerb stones here https://maps.app.goo.gl/vWS3ufRG5ATvGtqS7 they're not lowered to meet the carriageway.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Ok just received a rejection for my appeal. Interesting that they have specifically stated 'that it has been recorded that your vehicle had been parked obscuring the access to the building'.
https://imgur.com/a/YUMqoAo

Please post up a GSV (Google street View) location where you parked. Hopton Road seems to be quite long and meandering. I can't find the location.


And i would be surprised if they do this one as they have already committed to the reason for the DK as being vehicular access

Sorry what is DK? So worth formally appealing once notice to owner is received?

DK=dropped kerb.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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