Author Topic: Southwark, code 53 c Failing to comply with a restriction, Lanbury Rd Junction Ivydale Rd  (Read 2055 times)

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Hi, I received this pcn in the post yesterday 7th May. From what I recall. I saw the school street sign on the right of the entrance to Lanbury Rd. Mistakenly thinking this sign applied to the rest of Ivydale Rd,
I stopped at the junction, and turned left into Lanbury Rd. I didn't see the school street sign on the left of Lanbury Rd. There doesn't appear to be any advance warning signage, but gsv images are up to October
2022. I can revisit the site to check. Unsure if the lack of advance warning signage form a basis for appeal.

Thanks in advance.

PCN:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/5dRC7K42

GSV:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/S5NTM5A9jtwzGRx67
« Last Edit: May 08, 2025, 09:30:36 pm by bsmythe1 »

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What are the PCN number and car VRM. You've blanked them.

What are the PCN number and car VRM. You've blanked them.

attached a revised image, to include vrn and pcn.

The PCN is invalid. Second sentence under the picture - they cannot serve a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the notice, only from the date of service.

Dear Southwark

I make this collateral challenge.

The statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has not been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to
£195.00” is incorrect. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a) states from the date of service.  In light of this, the PCN is invalid. Please cancel.

***

Signage:  do your stuff here and post up for checking.

***

FYI:  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted

Task for you: please screenshot their website page re payment status as if to challenge now and save it.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2025, 09:49:42 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Returned to the site recently, from what I can see, there doesn't appear to be any advance warning signs on approach to the school street, Lanbury Road. I checked here locally for reference:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2TRwCpPkKmLLJhQQ9

..which has 3x advanced warning signs and the actual School Street sign.

Should I add the lack of advanced warning to the appeal also?

Also, taken and saved images of the payment status.

Video shows no sign and the sign(s) - are they set back from the road entrance which means you may already be committed to the turn. Worth checking the tribunal site for allowed cases.


Looking here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/z84qM8FooHrsUpmT7

and looking around, the video appears to show you leaving the school zone which is Ivydale Road and turning into Lansbury Road?

Alternatively, the pair of signs (which both appear to be set at angles, are meant to be covering the entrance to Lansbury Road which is the school zone street.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2025, 05:29:11 pm by John U.K. »

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and looking around, the video appears to show you leaving the school zone which is Ivydale Road and turning into Lansbury Road?
No, the OP turns left into Lanbury Road. If you look at the video , you'll see this high brick wall and lower wooden fence of the garden on the corner, and note also the street name on this wall and the small window : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q1Yzt6VcoFExSQX77

So with the OP turning left this is what he would have seen on approach: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MKSGfrTbwaor8AVu8

One of the signs is vitually invisible as it is side-on, and the other one seems to apply directly to the road ahead. As the OP says, that is why he turned left thinking the sign he saw applied to the rest of Ivydale Road.  Essentially the council is sighting these signs so stupidly, have created a trap. The OP saw the sign and acted upon it !! I am quite sure others do the same, especially those new to the area.

I’ll send the following by way of appeal:

***
Dear Southwark

I make this collateral challenge.

The statement under the picture on the PCN “If full payment has not been made before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued increasing the amount outstanding by 50% to
£240.00” is incorrect. Schedule I @ paras. 5(1) and (2)(a) states from the date of service.  In light of this, the PCN is invalid. Please cancel.

In addition there are no advanced warning signs on approach to the school Street, Ladbury Rd heading north-west along Ivydale Rd.

Kind regards
***

Searched the location but, couldn’t find any examples on LT.

Switch the reasons round make the not contravention the first and the faulty document second
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Yes, put the signage/contravention first and develop it more as there is more to it.

I'll check the tribunal as these cases are often hard to find as it's a poor interface.

Southwark sent an email response, with NoJ. It seems they failed to address the point raised re: Schedule 1 para 5(1) and 2(a).

https://postimg.cc/gallery/5dRC7K42

« Last Edit: August 05, 2025, 04:45:43 pm by bsmythe1 »

You have lodged an appeal?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Yes Southwark sent NoR, and I sent an appeal to LT.