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Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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Hello everyone,

My wife is disabled and has a blue badge. Our son is autistic and we alos have a blue badge for him as well. We asked the barking and dagenham council around 10 years back for a disabled bay outside our house and have been parking in there for more than 10 years now without displaying the blue badge. On the 22nd of February, we received a PCN for contravention code 40. I have tried searching for the email where we asked the lbbd council for disabled bay but can't seem to find it but the blue badges were delivered to our address and the car is registered disabled on our address.

I was wondering if you could help us fight this pcn, I'd be most grateful for any guidance on how to challenge the PCN.

Thank you.

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Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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It’s not your disabled bay , it was put there for your use but any blue badge holder can use the bay not only you .
Outside homes there can be two different types of disabled bay, one that doesn’t have a TMO or an upright sign this is classed as a courtesy bay and can not be enforced.
And the second type has a TMO and sign this can be enforced by a ceo.
If first type the pcn is not enforceable, the second type with a sign a pcn can be issued if a blue badge is not displayed.
Just having a blue badge is not enough , the contravention is for not displaying a valid badge

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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This looks like an unenforceable courtesy bay to me.







Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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I think we've seen this road before. There are some disabled parking bays designated by orders but not yours. Here there is one outside no 120 but not where you are on the opposite side of the road.


Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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OP, is this the car that you usually park there?

IMO, I can't see that this is enforceable for the reasons already set out:

1. Legitimate expectation that parking here without displaying a BB was tolerated by the council, based upon ** years' prior experience;

2. In any event, the bay is not enforceable because it's not underpinned by a traffic order restriction and even if it is it's not marked and signed as required by law.





Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
« Reply #5 on: »
Thank you very much for your advice.

The first 2 pictures that shows the no parking sign was put on the fence by us as some of the naighbours kept on parking their cars in our spot.


stamfordman.

My neigbour 2 doors down actually knocked on our door to tell me about us receiving this pcn. Apparently they had the same problem with disabled bay and received a pcn.


H C Andersen

Nice to see you alive and kicking <3

Yes sir, this is the car that I have been parking in this spot for more than 6 years.

"2. In any event, the bay is not enforceable because it's not underpinned by a traffic order restriction and even if it is it's not marked and signed as required by law."

Does this mean that our disabled bay is classed as courtesy bay and cannot be enforced by the council?

Thank you very much for your help.

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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I would just say:

The alleged contravention did not occur as there is no disabled parking place where we have parked our car for at least 6 years. There is a courtesy sign asking others not to park there but it has no legal standing.

As this PCN was issued in error I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation. 

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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My suggestion is along similar lines, but doesn't make any reference to law in the reps themselves.

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As the sign was not placed by the council, the argument regarding linking its confusing message to the council is no longer applicable.

As it stands, you have a bay marked partly on the carriageway and partly on the footway which carries the road marking DISABLED. IMO for the purposes of traffic regulations this in itself carries the meaning that it is reserved to BB holders 24/7 and that normal requirements as regards the display of a BB apply(the badge, not the clock).

But whether there's a traffic order to this effect, who knows? I somehow doubt it.

Frankly, at this stage I wouldn't read more into this than that a new CEO was on the block and was not aware of the local norms. I'd make reps* on this basis BUT while this is going on display your badge.

*- reps at this informal stage do not have a prescribed form, the regs simply refer to 'representations may be made and will be considered at any time prior to a NTO being served'.

Perhaps...

I am the resident of **** and I and my *** have held BBs for the past ** years. The 'disabled' bay in question, which is situated immediately outside my house, was installed by the council on my application some ** years ago.

Firstly, I would thank you for ensuring that this bay is visited by your officers because it's an absolute benefit to me and my family because of our circumstances.

As regards the day in question, although I display my BB when parking away from my house, I don't normally do so in what I've come to look upon as 'my' bay because the car is there for extended periods and overnight and the possible theft of the badge has always been a concern. Until now, non-display has not been an issue.

However, if the council has now changed its long-established practice then it would have been nice to have been informed in advance.

None the less, as regards this PCN, there are ample grounds on which this could and should be cancelled and I look forward to your confirmation as well as a clear statement as to whether you have amended your enforcement policy. In the meantime, I shall display my badge and keep my fingers crossed.

Hugs

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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If it is only a courtesy bay and it looks like it , anybody can park there even if they don’t have a blue badge , as the markings and your own sign have no legal standing.
So even if your pcn gets cancelled you might be back to where you were 10 years ago when your neighbours were parking there and legally not be able to do anything about it .

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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I am happy to be the representative for this OP. I have experience of 'courtesy bays' in Newham a few years ago. They just cause confusion. Please email mrmustard@zoho.com for free help. I write everything for you. As well as a challenge we need to
make a complaint and to apply for a proper bay.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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Apparently LBBD have a courtesy virtual Blue Badge scheme. So no physical BB required within the home controlled parking zone, provided the car is registered for the scheme. One car only per BB.

Is there a virtual BB registered to your car?

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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Reps should be on lines of:

- Contravention did not occur.
- Council kindly painted a disabled bay for us in xxxx but our understanding is this is courtesy bay and has no legal standing
- We don't usually display my blue badge because (not necessary?)
- Appreciate if council will confirm the status of the bay and instruct CEOs accordingly
- As PCN issued in error, look forward to cancellation.

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
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First of all, thank you very much for helping us fight this PCN. You don't know how much we appreaciate your help.

mrmustard, Thank you very much for the offer sir. I have taken all the information from this thread and used the AI to make a draft. If you feel that we have missed out on anything or we need to amend the appeal then please let us know.


Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on the following grounds:

1. Non-Enforceability of the Bay
The disabled bay in question, installed by the council on my application [insert number of years] years ago, is a courtesy bay. It is marked with “DISABLED” on part of the carriageway and footway; however, it lacks a formal Traffic Management Order (TMO) and the legally required upright signage. As a courtesy bay, it holds no legal enforceability. Therefore, the alleged contravention – for not displaying a Blue Badge – did not occur.

2. Legitimate Expectation Based on Long-Standing Practice
For at least the past 10 years, I have parked my vehicle in this bay without displaying my Blue Badge. Throughout this period, the council has never taken any enforcement action against this practice, creating a legitimate expectation that non-display in this location is tolerated. The issuance of this PCN without prior notice or a change in the established local practice is both unfair and inconsistent with past experience.

3. Inadequate Notice of a Change in Enforcement Policy
I always display my Blue Badge in areas where it is required. However, because this bay has historically been treated as a courtesy bay, I have not found it necessary to display the badge here. Had there been an intention to enforce the requirement for visible display in this bay, proper notification should have been provided to residents. It appears that a change in enforcement policy – potentially due to a new CEO or revised local practices – has not been communicated in advance.

4. Erroneous Evidence Submitted by the Enforcement Officer
I note that the enforcement officer has included a photograph in the PCN evidence which shows a “DISABLED” sign. I wish to clarify that this sign is one that I purchased from eBay for the purpose of politely reminding our neighbours that “NO PARKING, disabled resident need this space at all times.” It is not an official council sign and has no legal standing. The inclusion of this image suggests that the officer may lack proper training or understanding of the official signage used by the council. This erroneous evidence further supports my position that the PCN has been issued in error.

Request for Confirmation
In light of the above points, I respectfully request that you:

Confirm that the bay is classified as a courtesy bay and, as such, is not legally enforceable.
Instruct enforcement officers accordingly to reflect this long-established local practice.
Cancel the PCN as it has been issued erroneously.
I appreciate the benefit this bay provides to my family and me and would welcome confirmation as to whether the council has amended its enforcement policy. In the meantime, I shall display my Blue Badge when parking at this location, although I maintain that this PCN is invalid given the circumstances.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving your confirmation of cancellation.

Yours faithfully,


What do you guys think?

Once again, thank you very much for your help. <3
« Last Edit: February 25, 2025, 05:56:55 pm by mohmmad786 »

Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
« Reply #13 on: »
In my view you don't need anymore than point 1, adding that the council kindly painted the courtesy bay for you and you put up a sign bought on eBay...

Point 2 makes no sense - you can't have legitimate expectation of a condition that doesn't exist, and neither does point 3, likewise.

It's just a mistake by the CEO. 

This is an informal challenge at this stage.