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ChocolateGinger

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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2024, 03:39:02 am »
Here are links to the Order for Recovery of Unpaid Penalty Charge.

https://ibb.co/4KWLLfb
https://ibb.co/5vLKQKR

Please help.

The four options on the TE3 are:

• You paid the penalty charge notice in full. You must provide details of the date payment was made, the method of payment i.e. cash, cheque etc. and who the payment was made to. Please note you may be asked to provide proof of payment upon request.
 
• You did not receive the notice to owner/penalty charge notice.

• You made representations about the penalty charge to the Local Authority within 28 days service of the notice to owner/penalty charge notice and you did not receive a reply (rejection notice).

• You appealed against the Local Authority’s decision to reject your representation within 28 days service of the rejection notice, but you had no response to your appeal.

No.2 seems the closest to my situation.
I did not receive the NTO. I received the PCN which was on the car windscreen but when I appealed I was told to wait for the NTO? I didn't receive it so I couldn't make any representations.
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2024, 06:54:07 am »
Quote from: ChocolateGinger on October 02, 2024, 03:32:41 am
I'm unable to upload images so here's a link to the rejection of appeal.

https://ibb.co/QbJYZYJ
https://ibb.co/qFLHrqR
You've redacted all of the useful information. When posting documents it's only necessary to redact your name & address where present. Please leave everything else visible especially all reference numbers, times, dates, locations and anything related to the Council/Enforcement Authority. All as per the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum.
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John U.K.

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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2024, 08:10:44 am »
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I'm unable to upload images so here's a link to the rejection of appeal.
The links work fine but you have heavily cropped the images.

Please repost with the entirety of the pages, redacting only yr name & address.
What is the date on the NoR?
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2024, 08:50:31 am »
You should have received : -
- Notice to Owner
- Charge Certificated
before the Order for Recovery was issued.

Please post the OfR asap.
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2024, 08:59:50 am »
Quote from: Incandescent on October 02, 2024, 08:50:31 am
You should have received : -
- Notice to Owner
- Charge Certificated
before the Order for Recovery was issued.

Please post the OfR asap.

@Incandescent - OfR is in post Reply#15





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ChocolateGinger

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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2024, 10:02:48 am »
Quote from: Enceladus on October 02, 2024, 06:54:07 am
Quote from: ChocolateGinger on October 02, 2024, 03:32:41 am
I'm unable to upload images so here's a link to the rejection of appeal.

https://ibb.co/QbJYZYJ
https://ibb.co/qFLHrqR
You've redacted all of the useful information. When posting documents it's only necessary to redact your name & address where present. Please leave everything else visible especially all reference numbers, times, dates, locations and anything related to the Council/Enforcement Authority. All as per the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum.
I believed I'd only removed my name and address from the image I uploaded directly to this website.
The date by which to pay or reply is 4th October.

Can I select did not receive the NTO as I didn't receive it.
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2024, 12:07:15 pm »
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2024, 12:28:11 pm »
Quote from: John U.K. on October 02, 2024, 12:07:15 pm
Read through this thread carefully
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-pcn/

Any questions, please ask here.
Thanks. The relevant part of that thread simply gives instructions to tick option 2 and email the form which is what I'm asking if it's the right thing to do.
So I suppose the answer is yes, I should go with option 2.

Thanks again.
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2024, 01:20:46 pm »
Is the address correct on the order for recovery.

To confirm - you didn't get:

Notice to owner
Charge certificate

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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2024, 05:44:19 pm »
No I didn't get them.
Yes it is, I received it last week though I had been away for 3 weeks so it might have arrived few weeks ago.
I'm travelling today for 3 weeks and will appreciate confirmation whether or not what I'm proposing is the right.

Thank you.
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2024, 02:52:29 pm »
Quote from: ChocolateGinger on October 02, 2024, 03:39:02 am
Here are links to the Order for Recovery of Unpaid Penalty Charge.

https://ibb.co/4KWLLfb
https://ibb.co/5vLKQKR

Please help.

The four options on the TE3 are:

• You paid the penalty charge notice in full. You must provide details of the date payment was made, the method of payment i.e. cash, cheque etc. and who the payment was made to. Please note you may be asked to provide proof of payment upon request.
 
• You did not receive the notice to owner/penalty charge notice.

• You made representations about the penalty charge to the Local Authority within 28 days service of the notice to owner/penalty charge notice and you did not receive a reply (rejection notice).

• You appealed against the Local Authority’s decision to reject your representation within 28 days service of the rejection notice, but you had no response to your appeal.

No.2 seems the closest to my situation.
I did not receive the NTO. I received the PCN which was on the car windscreen but when I appealed I was told to wait for the NTO? I didn't receive it so I couldn't make any representations.

Is ticking no 2, signing and emailing the correct procedure for this form if one didn't receive the NTO?
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2024, 05:51:33 pm »
The form covers enforcement using PCNs under two regulations.

Reg 9 PCNs are served at the roadside, and only informal reps can be submitted against these. A formal representation must be submitted when the council serve the Notice to Owner.This is because the law makes the keeper of the vehicle responsible for PCNs even if not driving. So if reps are submitted, and rejected, and the PCN recipient does not pay-up, the council must issue a Notice to Owner if they want to carry on enforcing.

Reg 10 PCNs cover moving traffic offences, (plus driveaways when a Reg 9 PCN could not be served). These are sent to the keeper of the vehicle, and formal reps (like against an NtO), can be submitted against it. No Notice to Owner is issued, because the PCN is sent to the owner.

So the form covers (1) non-receipt of a Notice to Owner, or (2) non-receipt of a Reg 10 PCN. As your PCN was a Reg 9, you can confidently tick the box for " I did not receive the PCN/Notice to Owner".
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Re: PCN Southwark - Contravention 85 Parked Without A Valid Virtual Permit Or Valid Physical Permit Where Required.
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2024, 12:38:54 am »
@Incandescent, thank you.
Done.
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