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PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
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Hi everyone, I’d really appreciate some advice on how best to challenge this PCN.

This PCN was issued for Contravention Code 52m at Rye Lane Junction / Hanover Park. At the time of the alleged contravention, I was carrying out a legitimate private hire job as a Bolt driver. I have full proof of the job, including pickup details and timestamps.

There was no alternative way to pick up the customer other than going through this junction. The job itself clearly states this, and the pickup point could not be accessed from another route.

I did see the restriction sign and initially attempted to turn around, but there was a vehicle directly behind me, also a private hire driver, who advised that access was allowed for pickups. Given the road layout and traffic situation, reversing or turning was not possible or safe.

I also contacted the customer to ask if they could walk around to an alternative pickup point. They explained that they were not well enough to do so and felt it was not safe for them to walk around the back, particularly given the area and time.

In short:

I was on a live private hire booking

I have evidence of the job

There was no reasonable alternative route

I attempted to avoid the restriction

The customer could not safely relocate

Accessing the junction was necessary to complete the booking

I would be grateful for advice on:

Whether this falls under necessity / mitigation

How best to structure the initial representations

Whether to focus on procedural grounds, discretion, or evidence-based mitigation

Thanks in advance — any guidance would be massively appreciated.

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Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
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Please post a GSV link to the exact location. The photo on the PCN shows the sign, which also has a qualifier sign below it. We need to know what that says.

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Just thought I could help out.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37ge6wLikyvkcdPb8

Good old pedestrianised (almost) rye lane

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Just thought I could help out.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/37ge6wLikyvkcdPb8

Good old pedestrianised (almost) rye lane
Thanks, this view is 2022, (the latest) and shows buses and taxis are allowed. So the OP needs to submit representations on the basis he is a private hire vehicle and was picking up a customer. A PCN will be issued if the vehicle has no identification that it is a private hire vehicle, or the identification cannot be seen.

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Do you own the vehicle (i.e. is it leased or hired)?

The PCN seems to have been served out of time. It has to reach you within 28 days starting with the date if contravention, i.e. by 28 January, but they only sent it on 30 January.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2026, 12:59:24 am by MrChips »

Re: PCN RYE LANE JUNCTION
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The vehicle is hired. The PCN was initially sent to the hire company as the registered keeper, and they then passed liability to me, which is why I have only received it now.

Also, you mentioned earlier that the restriction applies to “buses and taxis only”. Can someone please confirm whether this includes private hire vehicles, or whether it applies only to licensed hackney carriages (taxis)?

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hi any update on this please?

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Sorry, but I don't know if private hire comes within the meaning of "taxi" for the sign. Thge Traffic Order should tell you, or you can submit reps on the basis that are a private hire car, picking up a passenger. They are obliged to tell you if PH vehicles are exempt or not when they reply.

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TRO says:  “bus”, “pedal cycle”, and “taxi” have the meanings given in the Traffic Signs Regulations and
General Directions 2016b
, as amended;

And the TSRGD says:

“taxi”   
(a)
in England and Wales, a vehicle licensed under—

(i)
section 37 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847(43); or

(ii)
section 6 of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869(44);

or under any similar enactment;

It would appear that Private Hire are licenced under Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 - no idea if that would be consider to be 'any similar enactment'.

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Shouldn't the PCN (link in first post) state that "The Penalty Charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of the notice".

Same applies to the language immediately below re: discounted period?


@Hippocrates @cp8759 - your thoughts?

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For PCNs issued under LLA2003, it's date of notice, not service which kicks off the 14/28 day periods.

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Please see reply from council and advise asap if I can appeal ?




PENALTY CHARGE NOT ICE JK17897929
DATE OF CONT RAVENT ION Thursday, January 01, 2026 03:41
VERIFICAT ION CODE
VEHICLE REGIST RAT ION MARK LN25YKG
LOCAT ION RYE LANE JUNCTION HANOVER PARK
CONT RAVENT ION 52m - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle
AMOUNT OUTST ANDING £80.00
Notice of Rejection of Representations - Road Traffic Act 1991 (as amended)
London Local Authorities Acts 1990 - 2003
CCTV - Moving Traffic Contraventions
Dear Sir Or Madam
Thank you for writing to us.
We have carefully considered what you say but we have decided not to cancel your PCN.
We sent you a PCN because our CCTV camera evidence shows your vehicle going where motor vehicles are not allowed.
The sign is round, white and has a red border. Within the circle, pictures of a motorcycle and motor vehicle indicate that
these types of vehicle are not permitted to use the route.
The wording accompanying the restriction signs says, “Except for loading 7am – 10am and buses and taxis”. This means
that vehicles may use the route for the purpose of loading or unloading goods (this does not include passengers) between
7am and 10am, and that buses and taxis are permitted to use the route.
You have stated in your representations that you are a licensed Bolt private hire driver and was engaged in a live, prebooked journey at the time of this alleged contravention. The passenger’s pickup location was beyond the restricted
junction, and there was no safe or practical alternative route. You attempted to avoid entering the junction, but a vehicle
directly behind me—also a private hire vehicle—blocked your turn. You asked the driver to reverse, but they refused, stating
they were allowed to pick up as taxis. The signage at the junction was unclear as to whether it applied to private hire
vehicles or only licensed taxis, which caused further confusion. You contacted the passenger to see if they could move to an
alternative pickup point. They were unwell and felt unsafe walking, particularly at that time and location, so relocating was
not an option. however, this is not a situation that would result in cancellation of the penalty charge.
Due to the shape of the junction where the restriction is located and the limited visibility of the restriction signs prior to
reaching the junction, there are large advance warning signs prominently displayed on Hanover Park, approximately 100m
and 30m before the junction. The warning signs are clearly visible and provide sufficient time for motorists to alter their
course to avoid a contravention.
27/02/2026 73B610
There are warning signs on Hanover Park, approximately 100m and 30m before the junction. The warning signs are clearly
visible and provide sufficient time for motorists to alter their course to avoid a contravention.
The restriction signs and warning signs remain visible at night due to the ambient light of surrounding street lighting, and they
are reflectorized to appear brighter under the headlights of approaching vehicles.
I have reviewed the contravention photographs and footage and, having taken into consideration your representations, I am
satisfied that the contravention occurred and the PCN was correctly issued.
You can view photographs and footage of the contravention via the following website:
https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/parking-tickets/pay-your-parking-ticket by clicking ‘pay
your parking ticket online” then entering the PCN number and your VRM
The enclosed photos help to show why your PCN was issued.
You have these choices:
You can pay the discount charge of £80.00. You have 14 days beginning with the date that this letter is served on you.
You can pay £160.00 if you miss the discount period. You have 28 days beginning with the date that this letter is
served on you.
You can appeal against our decision to the London Tribunals Environment and Traffic Adjudicators. You have 28 days,
or within such longer period as an adjudicator may allow, beginning with the date that this letter is served on you. To
make your appeal please use the Appeal Form enclosed with this letter and please read the guidance notes before
completing the form. Appeals must be made to London Tribunals, PO Box 460, Hartlepool, TS24 4JE or online at
www.LondonTribunals.gov.uk. Please do not send your appeal to us. If you wish to make any enquiries about your
appeal, you can also visit the London Tribunals Environment and Traffic Adjudicators website at
www.LondonTribunals.gov.uk or call 020 7520 7200. If you lose your appeal, you will have to pay the full charge rather
than the discount charge (unless the Adjudicator decides otherwise). The Adjudicator shall not normally make an order
awarding costs and expenses but may make such an order against either party if he is of the opinion that the party has
acted frivolously or vexatiously or that his conduct in making, pursuing or rejecting the appeal was wholly unreasonable,
or against an enforcement authority where he considers that the disputed decision was wholly unreasonable. The
Adjudicator may only make an order awarding costs and expenses against a party, as detailed above, where that
party has been given an opportunity of making representations against the making of the order.
If you do nothing
If, after 28 days, you have taken no action, we may send you a Charge Certificate increasing the charge from £160.00 to
£240.00. You will then have 14 days to pay the increased charge. If, after the 14 days, you have not paid the increased
charge, we may apply to the County Court to recover the money - plus court costs - from you.
How to pay:
Internet By credit or debit card at https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/parkingtickets/pay-your-parking-ticket Please have your Penalty Charge Notice number and issue date, vehicle registration
number and your credit/debit card details available.
Post By cheque or postal order only, payable to Southwark Parking Services. Please make sure you write the Penalty
Charge Notice number, vehicle registration number and your address on the back of the cheque or postal order, and
send it to: Southwark Parking Services, Admail 4197, London, SE1 1ZW.
Do NOT send cash or make a credit card payment by post. Post-dated cheques will not be accepte