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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: S.M on May 13, 2024, 01:13:42 pm
WF has rejected the appeal and has not viewed the evidence as there`s no click on the click logger website. Is it just a case of waiting till they send the NTO?
Yes, and when you get the NTO I would just say "I require you to reconsider my informal representations as my formal representation".

As for the bay markings, you've unnecessarily redacted your number plate and VRM, which prevents us from seeing the council evidence (which by definition the council has already). I suggest you review the guidance here and re-post the PCN without any redactions so we can give you a proper legal opinion.
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: cp8759 on May 17, 2024, 11:19:38 pm
Quote from: S.M on May 13, 2024, 01:13:42 pm
WF has rejected the appeal and has not viewed the evidence as there`s no click on the click logger website. Is it just a case of waiting till they send the NTO?
Yes, and when you get the NTO I would just say "I require you to reconsider my informal representations as my formal representation".

As for the bay markings, you've unnecessarily redacted your number plate and VRM, which prevents us from seeing the council evidence (which by definition the council has already). I suggest you review the guidance here and re-post the PCN without any redactions so we can give you a proper legal opinion.

My bad - I don`t know why i always redact these info.
It seems that I do not have access anymore to edit the first post.
Please find attached the unredacted PCN



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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Full size council photos:

















The bay markings are faded, but they're not wholly absent so it would be down to the adjudicator to decide whether they're substantially compliant. And there is the fact that the sign is right next to the car, which an adjudicator would attach some weight to. It might come down to whether the council views the evidence provided with the formal representations.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: cp8759 on May 27, 2024, 03:00:40 pm

The bay markings are faded, but they're not wholly absent so it would be down to the adjudicator to decide whether they're substantially compliant. And there is the fact that the sign is right next to the car, which an adjudicator would attach some weight to. It might come down to whether the council views the evidence provided with the formal representations.

The council hasn`t viewed the evidence that was provided till now as I have not received any notification of clicks.
Isn`t this a point of technicality? And regarding the markings, I can`t even see the faded ones in the evidence provided by the CEO  :-X 
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: S.M on May 27, 2024, 07:22:44 pm
The council hasn`t viewed the evidence that was provided till now as I have not received any notification of clicks.
Isn`t this a point of technicality? And regarding the markings, I can`t even see the faded ones in the evidence provided by the CEO  :-X
Well yes, but technical points at the informal stage don't carry as much weight as what comes later on.

I suggest you wait for the NTO and then make represenations as per reply 15 above.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: cp8759 on May 28, 2024, 12:21:11 am
Quote from: S.M on May 27, 2024, 07:22:44 pm
The council hasn`t viewed the evidence that was provided till now as I have not received any notification of clicks.
Isn`t this a point of technicality? And regarding the markings, I can`t even see the faded ones in the evidence provided by the CEO  :-X
Well yes, but technical points at the informal stage don't carry as much weight as what comes later on.

I suggest you wait for the NTO and then make represenations as per reply 15 above.





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I have received the NTO. I Will make the representation as per reply 15
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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I have now received the Notice of Rejection of Representation from WF - They have still not clicked on any of my evidences that was sent.

Please note this time on the back of the 4th page of the appeal rejection from 13/05/2024 there`s the 1st page of the Traffic Management act Right to appeal wordings (shouldn`t this be separated out? )

And should i proceed with appealing at the Tribunals?




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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Am i correct in assuming that 12th of august 2024 - I need to send the application form for the tribunals?
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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Quote from: S.M on July 22, 2024, 02:27:02 pm
Am i correct in assuming that 12th of august 2024 - I need to send the application form for the tribunals?
You're not going to send anything anywhere, all appeals are done online.

Have you checked the click-counter for your links?
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: London - WalthamForest 16Q - Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit Mission Grove E17
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DNC'ed.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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