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TFL Red Route PCN A23 London Rd To Streatham SW16
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Hello Everyone,

I have received the following PCN from TFL red routes bus lane
I Just did the informal representation
I am Private Hire Driver and the passenger requested an stop and then changed of mind
however as PHV driver we can stop for very short time in a  Bus Lane to Pickup and Drop off passengers  but anyway  has been rejected.


Regards to all

https://imgur.com/a/jiffHl6
here is the link with the location

https://maps.app.goo.gl/25pQCAEZZCxBJMss6

So I have done the following advice:

you need to make a representation, you'll have to do it by post I'm afraid and I would recommend you send it by special delivery.

All you need to say in the representation is this:

Dear Transport for London,

I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur, please cancel the penalty charge.

In any event I hereby make an FOI request for the make and model of the camera device.

Yours faithfully,

Separately to that, call TFL on Monday on 0343 222 3333 and ask for the video, they will send you a DVD in the post and the PCN will be put on hold while you wait.

and then I have received the following:

https://imgur.com/a/ZqMQyht

I really appreciate any comment how to proceed.
thanks in advance.

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Re: TFL Red Route PCN A23 London Rd To Streatham SW16
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I assume you wish to take this all the way?  If so, I am more than happy to assist as this is a technical appeal. But, I need to see all the documents. PM sent.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: TFL Red Route PCN A23 London Rd To Streatham SW16
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Just sorting this out.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: TFL Red Route PCN A23 London Rd To Streatham SW16
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ETA Register of Appeals

Register kept under Regulation 20 of the Road Traffic (Parking Adjudicators) (London) Regulations 1993, as amended and Regulation 17 of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022.

Case Details

Case reference 2240531841

Appellant Elvis Alberto Nunez Paniagua

Authority Transport for London

VRM EA18ZTH

PCN Details

PCN GX16580176

Contravention date 03 Jul 2024

Contravention time 04:57:03

Contravention location A23 LONDON ROAD SW16 N-BND TO STREATHAM H RD

Penalty amount GBP 160.00

Contravention Being in a bus lane

Referral date -

Decision Date 13 Jan 2025

Adjudicator Martin Hoare

Appeal decision Appeal allowed

Direction

cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.


Reasons

Mr Nunez Paniagua who took part in the hearing by phone, was represented by Mr Morgan. The Authority did not attend and was not represented.


On 6 January 2025 Mr Morgan wrote ‘Having spoken with my client this evening, he has not received any evidence pack from TFL. Therefore, I ask that the appeal be allowed as provided at Schedule 1, para. 7(6): (6)Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days

before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the council requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.’



The pre appeal representations read ‘ I was in a job as Private Hire Driver however as per TFL guidelines PHVs can also cross bus lanes to gain access to the kerbside to pick up or drop off passengers, but must leave the bus lane straight away. passenger request an stop at the area mentioned’.


The authority provided the Tribunal with evidence in support of its decision.


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted


provides that’ Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the council requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.’


The Authority Summary , received by the Tribunal is dated 7 January 2025.


Mr Nunez Paniagua credibly explained that he had received no evidence from the Authority in respect of the appeal.


I find that the Authority did not comply with its obligations under the Act in respect of service of evidence and cannot rely on its evidence in this appeal. The Authority has not established that the alleged contravention occurred.


The appeal is allowed.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"