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Re: PCN on an event day - but no sign it was an event day
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@cp8759 Would you have any final advice before I submit my appeal to the adjudicator?  Thanks!

Re: PCN on an event day - but no sign it was an event day
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Another one bites the dust! I won!!




However, disappointingly:



* the adjudicator did not opine on how appropriate or not it was to place signs with multiple lines of text in a location, outside the train station, where it is impossible to read it safely unless the driver comes to a complete stop for a few seconds

* the adjudicator also said that, if the wrong dates on the website had been in the past rather than in the future, it would have been more acceptable. But surely it is the council's responsibility to ensure their website reports the correct dates all the time??





The adjudicator directs London Borough of Wandsworth to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

Adjudicator's Reasons
The agreed facts are that the vehicle was at the stated location and a Penalty Charge Notice was
issued on Saturday 16/09/2023 at 15:22. Restrictions apply from 1:00-8:30 pm on Saturdays if this is
an "event day". The Appellant says the signs nearby did not state this day was an "event day".
A single yellow lines means restrictions apply at some time, and the hours are either set out on
timeplates within the road or, in the case of a CPZ, on all entry points to the zone.
The sign relied on by the Authority is a CPZ sign that says that the next event day is 5.9.16.30
September. The Appellant wrote to the Authority stating that different event days appeared on their
website and has provided a photoshot of one taken on 23/09/2023 that gives the next event day as 12
and 13 October 2023. The Authority says the sign on the website is an example of the type of sign
displayed and so the dates thereon are not relevant.
I do not accept that it is reasonable for driver
, who checks the Authority's website, to conclude that the
date stated as 12 and 13 October 2023 is an example only. If checked on 23/09/2023, one would not
expect to see October 2023 dates. Had the dates been in the past, then that is more acceptable.
Thus even if the CPZ sign is correct, the information on the website is misleading to drivers so the
appeal is allowed.


Re: PCN on an event day - but no sign it was an event day
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Well done indeed, full outcome here.

This is the first case we've had for an event zone PCN that has been won on this ground, hopefully it will help with future cases.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN on an event day - but no sign it was an event day
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Thank you all, but especially thank you to  @cp8759  !!

Like I said, I would have hoped the adjudicator would have opined on the unreasonableness of a sign that's so far away and hard to read, and on the need to display the current dates on the council's website (something which the council can do at zero cost).

Instead, the ambiguous statement leads me to think that the same adjudicator would probably not accept a similar challenge today, when it is June 2024 but the website still reports Oct-2023, because he might say that such a discrepancy was sufficient reason to think that the dates on the website were just an example.

It would all be easier and fairer if a law forced councils to state these dates on their website, but then cash-starved councils would no longer be able to count on this confusion for some much-needed extra revenue, right?