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Re: PCN notice to owner from liverpool council
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So they claim there is a bay sign at the other end of the bay - but the picture of a sign they provided is on the other side of the road. It's not a long bay you were in and there does not appear that there has ever been a sign in the bay.

They have reoffered the discount which probably means they are trying it on - let's check all the info and if all in order I think you should appeal to the tribunal.




Re: PCN notice to owner from liverpool council
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Yes , that's how I have read it, I have looked on Google maps and I think I see one right at the other end  near the dead end on the same side, but this would not be visible to drivers turning onto the street as the bay I was in is at the other end of the street where that sign is, and any other signs are on the other side, nothing is on the bay I parked in
Thanks for your help
« Last Edit: July 04, 2025, 05:20:02 pm by TF »

Re: PCN notice to owner from liverpool council
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I'm not surprised.

Register your appeal. Contravention did not occur; Procedural impropriety.

Once you've registered your appeal you can submit a more comprehensive argument.

...along the lines of:

On *** I parked in the parking place.

(pl, pl stop referring to it as a bay). The law as regards traffic signs refers to orders and these refer to designated parking places - 'A local authority may by order designate parking places on highways..'

As can be seen in the enclosed GSV snapshot and confirmed in the authority's photos, this parking place is situated on the south side of Falkner Street and extends for approx. 27 metres from the termination of a 'Keep Clear' prohibition outside Abercromby Nursery School to its junction with Bedford Street South. Within this relatively short distance there are no street lamp columns and no other traffic sign posts - or trees for that matter. It is therefore perhaps not surprising that the council haven't placed any 'traffic signs' (s64 RTRA refers) in or within the vicinity of the parking place. There is another parking place on the south side of Falkner Street but this is distinguished from my location by virtue of being separated by the 'Keep Clear' prohibition and a length of unrestricted street.

It therefore follows that, for the want of any traffic sign conveying a restriction at my location, a motorist would not know what restrictions might apply. In the circumstances of my case, and by implication every other PCN issued in that place, the CEO has been directed to photograph the nearest traffic sign on the opposite side of the road (as can be seen in the council's evidence where leafy trees are in evidence as they frame the traffic sign relied upon).

I was not bound by this sign, indeed I didn't register it at the time as I was focused on what restrictions applied to where I parked, not places on the other side of the road.

The authority have rejected 2 sets of representations on the fraudulent basis that the CEO's evidential photos establish the council's compliance with LATOR and therefore their right to pursue a penalty when those representations gave the clearest evidence to the contrary. Indeed, in the NOR they have compounded their lack of candour with the following statement:

'There are two signs on that road which state that it is permit parking only. A sign is not required at that[presumably my] location as there is already a sign at the other end of the road in the bay'.

Setting aside for one moment that 'that' sign is not in my parking place and that, as I now know because the NOR drew it to my attention and I have measured, it is 210 feet from where my car was parked, this is not even the sign presented in the authority's evidence.

Given the authority's attempts to justify their error and penalise me by relying upon spurious photographic evidence and specious claims, it must surely follow that whether by virtue of the regulations or their public law duty to act fairly these actions give rise to grounds of 'procedural impropriety'.  I have therefore added 'Procedural Impropriety' to my statutory grounds by virtue of this comment in the authority's NOR:

I am confident that now that this evidence and the council's actions have been opened to more enlightened and impartial scrutiny the adjudicator will see the truth of the matter and cancel the PCN.



My thoughts.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2025, 03:24:57 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: PCN notice to owner from liverpool council
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@TF I've sent you a PM.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN notice to owner from liverpool council
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DNC'ed.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order