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PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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Hi all

Wanted to ask the forums advice about appealing this PCN.

Here's the location of the PCN (the StreetView photo is from 2022):
https://maps.app.goo.gl/nwGC6PjasC7ijaUo6

PCN evidence photo (from Sunday, 2 weeks ago):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13VxSjp6n7c6iGsWD1gSh--glhVmCWcbt/view?usp=drive_link

This location is currently under consultation for this road closure (up until 3 October 2025):
https://news.merton.gov.uk/2025/03/13/reducing-traffic-in-the-abbey-road-area/

Looking at this document, from the 12 August 2025. Says the closure is now implemented:
https://democracy.merton.gov.uk/documents/s56743/LTN%20-%20Abbey%20Road%20Area.pdf

PCN front:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cEBeDvmf1xV4d8cdONpEz9f2rROFjePd/view?usp=drive_link

PCN back:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RFa2eMYK1ZGyAaWHMYem5jDEEJuBsEXb/view?usp=drive_link

I was driving my partners car and didn't notice the signs for Abbey Road Merton had changed from Width Restriction to Prohibition on Certain Types of Vehicle.

I use to live in this area, have made this journey many times. Given this change is newly introduced, this was a first offence and I had missed the fact that the 2 outer signs were not 7'-0'' width restriction warnings any longer. I only noticed the center sign that still states this junction has a 7'-0'' width restriction.

Would Inadequate signage due to recent change be a valid reason to appeal?


Thanks for your help.

Charlie
« Last Edit: September 18, 2025, 10:08:01 pm by CharlieMoto »

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Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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To be honest, the signage is about what one would expect for such a restriction, I would not call it inadequate at the point where it starts.  The problem being more that you were driving on "automatic pilot" as one tends to do on local roads one uses often.

The approach is also via a fairly sharp left turn, giving little time to see the signs and act on them. If you can do some leg work with a camera, go and see if there are any advance warning signs. This would support a case for the signage being inadequate, and thus the council have failed in their duty under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

But the restriction was introduced in March 2025, and here we are in September 6 months later, so whilst you could submit representations saying you were caught out by this new restriction and ask for a goodwill cancellation, don't be surprised if they refuse.

There may be a "technical" appeal, based on Merton mismanagement of the enforcement process.  I'm not an expert on these, but it would, of course, mean foregoing the discount as all appeals at London Tribunals are with the full penalty in play. "Technical" appeals are not related to the contravention itself, but to councils not following what the regulations say they must do, the emphasis being on "must".

Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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Thanks, Incandescent. (great name, btw!)  :)

Will do some scouting for the turn off into this road for any other signage to make my case.



Kind regards

Charlie

Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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Thanks, Incandescent. (great name, btw!)  :)

Will do some scouting for the turn off into this road for any other signage to make my case.



Kind regards

Charlie

i would be interested, i also have been stung by this, inline with them trying to force us out of our cars, i have not driven through here for some time and i also agree the signage is noticable comming round the corner and i do not beleive there are pre warning signs, i have a thread open that includes pictures of the location and of the approach, it seems to have gone unanswered for some reason.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/meron-new-ltn-abbey-road-jw-high-path/msg90469/#msg90469
A fool and their money are soon parted.

Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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Thanks, loady.

Will get a chance to visit the area during the week. Will post an update.

Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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The photos were not embedded in the PCN, correct?

Therefore 'the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle' are as given.

What may be required of the 'owner' and what of the authority? Where does the balance lie?

'Failure to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle'. Tank, 44-tonne artic, mobility scooter? OK, the owner could look at the photos online and deduce what's happened...assuming they even know what signs mean(remember, an 'owner' doesn't need to drive or hold a licence nor can be presumed to know anything about traffic signs IMO).

Maybe other posters know the tribunal's latest thinking on this matter?

Re: PCN Merton - LTN Abbey Road - under consultation, new signage
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Merton are not warning motorists from the main turn off on the A24. They do once you're off that road.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10bMqeQFb4Pf2vVBUh7Xv6NjAbdGp1ACZ/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yTnacvL1e2W1OuE-sBcJ6ogVfIXhD81G/view?usp=drivesdk

The only option open is your technicality appeal, H C Andersen.