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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Quote from: Hippocrates on September 20, 2024, 05:20:43 pm
Quote from: EllHas on September 20, 2024, 01:36:46 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on September 18, 2024, 12:03:10 pm
Yes. And his colleague has 10. I await your draft. I am going to make a video about this location as it is becoming too infamous. Their hearings will be at the end of October after I have meditated under my Plane Tree.

Sorry for the delay with this. It's been a busy few days and I wanted the proper amount of time to put this together.

Please find it below. Hopefully it's ok!

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Dear Lewisham Council

I make these formal representations against PCN: ZY09702771

Preamble:

On Saturday 7th September I needed to drive my 1 year old son from my home in Mottingham to my father’s house in Catford. Normally I would either drive via Grove Park or go via the A205. However, on that day, a decision was made to close off the bridge at St Mildreds Road, result in horrendous traffic. And so, with a restless baby in the back seat, I did my best to navigate the blockages. What should have been a 10-minute journey, became an hour and a half nightmare.

Regarding the journey in question, having finally made it past the worst of the traffic only to discover that the passing under the bridge was closed (there was no prior warning about this), I decided to try driving down Manor Lane, hoping that I could cross via Hither Green and then make my way back up. It has been many years since I have driven through that particular area as I’d had no need to. I was aware that there was a width restriction road somewhere along the route, but had no reason to believe that it would affect my car.

I progressed onto Leahurst Road, approached the point of the alleged contravention and then turned left onto Ennersdale Road. At the top of Ennersdale Road I discovered that the road was closed off to all motor vehicles and there was no way to progress onto Hither Green, so I was forced to turn back and retrace my journey through the disgraceful traffic caused by road closures and lack of adequate signage.

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Address

Thank you very much, I'll remove the bits you suggested. The rest of it is ok?
« Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 05:27:23 pm by EllHas »
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Quote from: H C Andersen on September 20, 2024, 02:12:44 pm
Far too long IMO.

I also think you need to be clear as regards what point you are trying to make because you offer different reasons - possibly due to its length you lose focus.

You either saw the sign or you did not.

I did see the sign:
But because this was not until after I'd entered the chicane I felt that I had no safe road user option other than to carry on.

I did not see the sign at the time:
When I visited soon after receiving the PCN the reasons why I and, I now know, other motorists have missed the sign is because of *****. In my case **** but the attached tribunal cases(take them out of the body of your reps please) identify **** additional reasons.

Would be my approach. But IMO you must choose and I suggest based upon what you and only you know happened and not to opportunistically try and adopt other motorists' arguments. Use these as further examples of reasons why the sign is poorly placed but write from your knowledge of events.

Wait for other comments.

Thank you for your feedback. It's all pretty new to me, so I was mainly following what Hippocrates requested me to include. I think they've said that it's ok now that they've suggested some edits.
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #17 on: »
The longer the better.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #18 on: »
Duly noted!
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #19 on: »
Quote from: EllHas on September 21, 2024, 02:41:49 am
Duly noted!
They should be aware of these submissions as they lost a case due to them some months ago. It will also test whether AI/Barbour B****y Logic or a human being deals with them.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #20 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on September 21, 2024, 08:45:11 am
Quote from: EllHas on September 21, 2024, 02:41:49 am
Duly noted!
They should be aware of these submissions as they lost a case due to them some months ago. It will also test whether AI/Barbour B****y Logic or a human being deals with them.

Plus, I get some small delight in thinking that somebody is going to have to read through 10 pages worth of information 😅

Thank you again for your advice with this, I'm going to go ahead and submit and will feedback on the results.
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #21 on: »
Ok, so how's this for weird...

I logged onto the system to make representations and there was a notice

"This PCN is now closed. Thank you.
This PCN is past the stage at which you can challenge it or make representations"

I assumed it was a website error so I called the number on the form and chose the query a PCN option.

Of course, nobody in the office on a Saturday.

I redialled and chose the pay a PCN option and the automated service informed me that "There is no money owed, this PCN has been cancelled".

I'm going to call again on Monday and try to speak to a human as I want to be certain. But, looks like all the good work you all have been doing with that particular sign has actually hit home with the council.

They'll probably change the sign in the area soon.

Either that, or someone from Lewisham Council is lurking on the forums and keeping an eye on who is challenging what!

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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #22 on: »
lewishamparkingappeals@nslservices.co.uk

You have this address. So, I would e mail them and, as the illustrious bama used to advise on pepipoo, record all calls.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2024, 09:53:49 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
« Reply #23 on: »
An update for you all. I called Lewisham Council just now to enquire and it turns out that in fact the PCN has been cancelled because apparently somebody vandalised the sign...

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« Reply #24 on: »
I should get this in writing or a screenshot. I would also contact the local Press. I am still going down there.  8)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2024, 12:11:50 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Quote from: EllHas on September 24, 2024, 11:48:31 am
An update for you all. I called Lewisham Council just now to enquire and it turns out that in fact the PCN has been cancelled because apparently somebody vandalised the sign...
Seriously, could you call please them again and ask them when they are going to replace it? I want to be there when they do so.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Hi,
Newbie here, I've just received a PCN for the same above contravention on Leahurst Rd going westward at 11.54pm, not a soul about, just gone to pick up my partner at Hither Green train station and turned left out of the station to go back to Ladywell, didn't pay attention, wasn't aware or looking for the 'no vehicle' sign at the traffic island. Is this a new sign as opposed to what was in the above examples? And now after looking on google maps can see 'no vehicles' sign going up Ennersdale road to Hither Green Lane, the way I came. Extremely frustrating. Any idea what my chances of winning an appeal on this?

Many thanks
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Quote from: collibosher on November 18, 2025, 04:13:53 pm
Hi,
Newbie here, I've just received a PCN for the same above contravention on Leahurst Rd going westward
. . .
Many thanks


For meaningful advice please to have  aread of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and start your own thread,.posting up there
All sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
council photos/video,
ans
a GSV link to the location.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2025, 05:25:12 pm by John U.K. »
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Re: PCN - Lewisham Council - Leahurst Road - Contravention 52 m
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Quote from: John U.K. on November 18, 2025, 04:35:41 pm
Quote from: collibosher on November 18, 2025, 04:13:53 pm
Hi,
Newbie here, I've just received a PCN for the same above contravention on Leahurst Rd going westward
. . .
Many thanks


For meaningful advice please to have  aread of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
All sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
council photos/video,
ans
a GSV link to the location.
And also start your own thread. Forum rule is one OP per thread.
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