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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Still no reply from them; been 6wks. I gather they'll be very very busy with ULEZ PCN's going out left right and centre starting today.

I was re-reading the enforcement letter and I noticed it said that my address needs to be included on the response.

As I made my response online, I didn't include my address on the PDF I uploaded (on the basis that it's not mandatory to even upload a PDF, and a response/representation can be made by responding into the text box on the website directly.

I opted for a PDF as I would have hit the char-limit.

Anyway, just wondering if they'd be super anal about it and throw out my representation on the basis that it didn't have my address on it - seems unlikely considering the overall response will be tied to my address and name, as it's all linked to the PCN charge #, and when responding without any attachments you're simply required to type into a free text box.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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look at their website to see the status of the PCN. 6 weeks is nothing unusual, I'm afraid.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: GRYOUT on August 29, 2023, 10:44:12 am
Anyway, just wondering if they'd be super anal about it and throw out my representation on the basis that it didn't have my address on it - seems unlikely considering the overall response will be tied to my address and name, as it's all linked to the PCN charge #, and when responding without any attachments you're simply required to type into a free text box.
Most authorities don't bother playing silly buggers. TFL have tried and it didn't end well for them.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: Incandescent on August 29, 2023, 11:25:08 am
look at their website to see the status of the PCN. 6 weeks is nothing unusual, I'm afraid.
There's no status on the website but the fact I can still pull up the PCN details probably means its still active
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: cp8759 on August 29, 2023, 07:39:27 pm
Quote from: GRYOUT on August 29, 2023, 10:44:12 am
Anyway, just wondering if they'd be super anal about it and throw out my representation on the basis that it didn't have my address on it - seems unlikely considering the overall response will be tied to my address and name, as it's all linked to the PCN charge #, and when responding without any attachments you're simply required to type into a free text box.
Most authorities don't bother playing silly buggers. TFL have tried and it didn't end well for them.
Good to know. Gosh that seemed like such a long winded case over a company/person!

In my case, we've already requested and given permission for this PCN to be handled by me, rather than the owner of the vehicle. We made that known when giving the informal representations, as the first representation wasn't accepted and permission for a third party (me) to deal with it was given. I would assume that would still stand when making formal reps.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: GRYOUT on August 30, 2023, 04:54:38 pm
I would assume that would still stand when making formal reps.
Don't take any chances, if you didn't include the letter of authority when you made formal representations, send it again now.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #36 on: »
Exactly.  Just remember:  they issue a number of tickets which outnumber their staff - capable or not - to deal with representations against them.  When I say they, I mean cameras and so-called camera operators.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Reply for Merton council:

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There are two cameras on the junction on the same column:

The camera makes and models are:

    1. BOSCH Dinion LTC0612
    2. Yunex LaneWatch Mark 3

I'm 99% sure the footage is from the LaneWatch Mark 3, but I've made a further enquiry to confirm.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #38 on: »
What does this tell us? Yes you're right, having re-looked at the video footage I captured I can see its the Yunex type of camera installed
« Last Edit: September 21, 2023, 06:29:31 pm by GRYOUT »
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: GRYOUT on September 21, 2023, 06:24:12 pm
What does this tell us? Yes you're right, having re-looked at the video footage I captured I can see its the Yunex type of camera installed
It tells us that we can't use the camera approval argument as we know there is a camera certificate for this type of camera.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 31, 2023, 08:56:31 pm
Exactly.  Just remember:  they issue a number of tickets which outnumber their staff - capable or not - to deal with representations against them.  When I say they, I mean cameras and so-called camera operators.
They're definitely behind some kind of backlog. They've only just responded asking for Authorisation again (for the formal rep). Silly buggers.

I've given it again, along with a reference to the original authorisation given back in June.

So now they'll formally respond to me in the next week.

What I find interesting is on the latest authorisation request, they haven't blanked out the person working in PCN Processing's name / Job Title / direct line. It actually looks like the person responding has slapped on their email signature to the bottom of the letter, so now I know exactly who's dealing with this.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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As per the other forum.  You may disclose their name but a PM will do.  Please keep us up to date with the correspondence.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2023, 10:25:10 am by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
« Reply #42 on: »
I don't really have a preference on this one - although if it were to make any difference then I'd be open to it. I'd hazard a guess that the name of the person shouldn't make much of a difference whatsoever. I just found it particularly unusual that their email sig ended up at the bottom of the letter as I've always found any such comms of this nature to generally be as obscure, generic and templated as possible.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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I've had a reply from them today. They've decided to not cancel the notice. I've been sent a Notice of Rejection, along with a London Tribunals form ("Your right to appeal against a Bus Lane Penalty Charge") appended to the letter.

What would you like me to upload?

I've noticed that the form has the vehicle owner details pre-filled, rather than the driver (me). They've addressed the Notice of Rejection letter to me though.
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Re: PCN J - 34J - Being in a Bus Lane (Wimbledon Broadway-Queens Rd)
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https://imgur.com/a/CVOZxHx - Authorisation Request following my formal representation (with my personal info redacted)

https://imgur.com/a/gvtQTrU - Notice of Rejection (with my personal info redacted)
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