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Hi Guys,

I am looking for any advice regarding a PCN.

Images of PCN:

https://ibb.co/JWyX4M7w
https://ibb.co/vCjxwYd8
https://ibb.co/qL5kXRkp
https://ibb.co/hJvhhdv4

The complication with this is:

1) I hired a car through Hertz (with the you are responsible for PCN's etc) at Dublin airport on 31/07/25 and returned it 02/08/25.
2) I received the above PCN on 23/08/25 from the NI Department For Infrastructure. I have never been to NI.
3) I tried to appeal the PCN and sent a copy of my bank statement which showed I was in the ROI one hour after this traffic offence (travel time Belfast to Carlow, ROI 2.5 - 3 hours), but no surprise this was refused.

What I am looking for help/advice on is, would anyone know if it is even worth appealing this. IE can I expect a genuinely neutral adjudicator ?

Thanks for any help you can give

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Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Let's see the rejection and your challenge.

Are you in the UK and is the PCN in your name and address.

No video but three pics - is it the car you hired and what VRM was it.



« Last Edit: October 06, 2025, 05:30:12 pm by stamfordman »

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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2) I received the above PCN on 23/08/25 from the NI Department For Infrastructure. I have never been to NI.
3) I tried to appeal the PCN and sent a copy of my bank statement which showed I was in the ROI one hour after this traffic offence (travel time Belfast to Carlow, ROI 2.5 - 3 hours), but no surprise this was refused.

Can you please explain the apparent anomoly between the two statements.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Think it just means the OP was in Carlow and couldn't have got there in an hour.

There must be something more fundamental to go on.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Hi Stamfordman,

I am based in the UK and the PCN was sent to my correct address.

The vehicle in the picture is the correct make/model/colour. However it does not appear to have the 'Drive on the right / Links Fahren' and 'No Smoking' stickers on the drivers side of the windscreen.

I have put the emails and rejections in order, so hopefully should be fairly easy to follow.

https://ibb.co/zTKMTPkV
https://ibb.co/0Vs7qzpB
https://ibb.co/DDjDfzps
https://ibb.co/hJs8Yqzn
https://ibb.co/5gM0HhhQ

Thanks.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Think it just means the OP was in Carlow and couldn't have got there in an hour.

There must be something more fundamental to go on.

Exactly right.

This is a real cross border nightmare  :-X

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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So NI seems to have a two stage process for bus lanes like London and the next step is to send a notice to the keeper, presumably Hertz.

But it has already named you if what you have is in your name and address.

Have you been charged an admin fee? The fee is probably close to the discounted penalty.

The bank statement wasn't useful. Google Timeline maybe?


Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Hi Stamfordman,

I have just checked my credit card and they have debited my card on 30th Aug. I can easily challenge this with the card issuer. I have no objections to paying for PCN's that were my fault but it is frustrating when I have not done anything.

Yes, but why did the DFI acknowledge 4 transactions which were not relevant but ignored the one transaction which was ? I have a google timeline on my mobile app but cannot screen shot it from my mobile so not sure how I can get this.

From the way the PCN is worded they seem to be claiming that I was the registered owner during the rental period.

Beginning to think I am barking at the moon here and just have to accept that the whole PCN system is not fit for purpose.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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How much did Hertz charge you. If this is the only fee then I would go on with this and see if you get the enforcement notice and then if they reject again take it to adjudication.

I'm worried though that Hertz will get the notice and then pay it at full rate and bill you.

You can also follow up with Hertz to get the fee refunded as there's no reason you should be penalised for anything and they may well have other penalties concerning this possible clone.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Hi Stamfordman,

OK, they charged 31.25 Euros.

This where it may get a bit tricky. If this was an english car under english law AND if Hertz got the notice, I would be quite happy to argue that Hertz would have to prove that:

a) The photo is of the car that I hired (It isn't !)

b) That I was driving the car at the time of the contravention, (BTW my wife was also an authorised driver).

I am quite happy to make them try to get a CCJ, which I would defend, I have been there before.

It seems the catch 22 in this one is, to appeal you need to report a crime, ie fraud. To report cloned number plates you need to be the owner of the car. Also that is before who do I report it to, my local UK police, NI Police or the Gardai ?

So I suppose the question is will the Notice to Owner go to Hertz ?

Thanks



Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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If you want to try not paying Hertz that's a different matter. It would have nothing to do with the merits of the PCN but your rental contract, as if it does go back to Hertz it is nothing to do with you as it's theirs.

Anyway, we don't see many NI PCNs but someone may know more.

You haven't confirmed - is the PCN solely with your name and address?
« Last Edit: October 06, 2025, 07:40:03 pm by stamfordman »

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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Hi Stanfordman,

Sorry, Yes the PCN is in my name and (correct) address.

With regards to Hertz, I would have no problems arguing that I agreed to pay PCN, charges etc that were my fault but that does not mean I will be responsible for charges caused by someone else acting illegally. If they have not reported the cloning then the contract clause is unfair.

I will sleep on it for now and maybe someone will be familiar with the NI protocol and can confirm where the NTO will go.

Thanks for your time.

Re: PCN from Northern Ireland
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The process in Northern Ireland is the same as it is in England, except that there is clearly a difference in that they seem able to ask for the name and address of the vehicle owner by requesting it from the RoI registration office  rather than the DVLA.
I suggest you read this, the order under which enforcement is regulated in Northern Ireland: -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/2005/1964/contents
also this, the website of the NI adjudicators
https://www.justice-ni.gov.uk/articles/northern-ireland-traffic-penalty-tribunal#toc-5

I have noted in the above Order, that an appellant appealing against a PCN based on CCTV evidence, can request the attendance of the enforcement authority at the adjudication. So if you get nowhere with the authority, you should register an appeal with the NI adjudicators and request the attendance of the enforcement authority. the CCTV evidence is void if they don't turn up. I also suggest you get hold of somebody in the hire company to emphasise that you are the victim of a crime, being the cloning of the numberplate of your hire car.