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Hi folks

I received a PCN from Ealing council about ten days ago. I am alleged to contravened 12r: parked in a residents or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit.

Here is the sign that I didnt see as its obscured by overgrown bush: https://imgur.com/a/tc36KdK
GSV (albeit from 2022 when the bush was trimmed): https://shorturl.at/bcCGM
PCN: https://imgur.com/a/Gw8Rqu0
Council name: London Borough of Ealing
Alleged contravention: parked in a residents or shared use parking place without a permit
Location: Chestnut Grove (W5)
PCN number: EA58492587
VRM: LA68 XNX

I would love some advice on how to challenge this or launch a successful appeal. I know the 14 day window ends in a few days.

Cheers
« Last Edit: July 18, 2023, 10:22:56 pm by shakazulu »
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Re: PCN from Ealing Council, Chestnut Grove W5
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Please re-post the PCN with the number plate and PCN number visible.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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PCN with number plate and PCN number: https://imgur.com/a/Xrin0iR
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They're having a laugh, these are the CEO's photos:





Do you know what distance this sign was from your car?

Did you look for signs when you parked?

There's no way you should pay this without putting a challenge in first.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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My car was about 20 metres from that post but from where I was parked, I could not see it.
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Quote from: cp8759 on July 19, 2023, 05:40:02 pm
They're having a laugh, these are the CEO's photos:





Do you know what distance this sign was from your car?

Did you look for signs when you parked?

There's no way you should pay this without putting a challenge in first.

I am thinking of putting in a challenge today with the lack of visibility of the sign as my defence but how would I word it?
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Quote from: shakazulu on July 18, 2023, 10:10:59 pm
Hi folks

I received a PCN from Ealing council about ten days ago. I am alleged to contravened 12r: parked in a residents or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit.

Here is the sign that I didnt see as its obscured by overgrown bush: https://imgur.com/a/tc36KdK
GSV (albeit from 2022 when the bush was trimmed): https://shorturl.at/bcCGM
PCN: https://imgur.com/a/Gw8Rqu0
Council name: London Borough of Ealing
Alleged contravention: parked in a residents or shared use parking place without a permit
Location: Chestnut Grove (W5)
PCN number: EA58492587
VRM: LA68 XNX

I would love some advice on how to challenge this or launch a successful appeal. I know the 14 day window ends in a few days.

Cheers

Does anyone have suggestions before I put my appeal in, based on the poor visibility of the sign?
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Don't say you could not see the signs, word it as you looked around and no signage was visible. Just different words but the meaning will be much different
Use my version and they will show you the same photos and say look their here, say you couldn't see signs and they will say ah your fault for not looking
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Quote from: Pastmybest on July 20, 2023, 04:44:15 pm
Don't say you could not see the signs, word it as you looked around and no signage was visible. Just different words but the meaning will be much different
Use my version and they will show you the same photos and say look their here, say you couldn't see signs and they will say ah your fault for not looking
Noted.
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If you haven't sent it off already, we generally advise to put a draft on here first.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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