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Quote from: MrChips on April 07, 2024, 01:28:56 pm
Wonders never cease! Well done.
Thank you. It had to be non-enforceable. I think an adjudicator would agree if it were to go there.
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Quote from: antman40 on April 07, 2024, 03:10:34 pm
Thank you. It had to be non-enforceable. I think an adjudicator would agree if it were to go there.
I disagree, I think if this had gone to adjudication it would have been down to which adjudicator you got, many adjudicators would have thrown the book at you for this.
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Re: PCN for 3-point turn with no prohibited signage for U-turn.
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Quote from: cp8759 on April 07, 2024, 03:21:00 pm
Quote from: antman40 on April 07, 2024, 03:10:34 pm
Thank you. It had to be non-enforceable. I think an adjudicator would agree if it were to go there.
I disagree, I think if this had gone to adjudication it would have been down to which adjudicator you got, many adjudicators would have thrown the book at you for this.
Just for doing a 3-point turn in a quiet residential street? That would be quite harsh. I'm satisfied it's all done and dusted now.
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Quote from: antman40 on April 07, 2024, 03:30:31 pm
Just for doing a 3-point turn in a quiet residential street? That would be quite harsh. I'm satisfied it's all done and dusted now.
It would be quite harsh but then some adjudicators are, which is why getting a discretionary cancellation was really good. It would have probably been a 50 / 50 bet at the tribunal and I wouldn't risk a maneuver like this again, but as you say a win is a win.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: PCN for 3-point turn with no prohibited signage for U-turn.
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@antman40:  you were lucky.  But, the moral of the story is, try everything.  ;) And you did.
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Re: PCN for 3-point turn with no prohibited signage for U-turn.
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Quote from: cp8759 on April 07, 2024, 03:33:25 pm
Quote from: antman40 on April 07, 2024, 03:30:31 pm
Just for doing a 3-point turn in a quiet residential street? That would be quite harsh. I'm satisfied it's all done and dusted now.
It would be quite harsh but then some adjudicators are, which is why getting a discretionary cancellation was really good. It would have probably been a 50 / 50 bet at the tribunal and I wouldn't risk a maneuver like this again, but as you say a win is a win.
Much agreed.
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I am very pleased to see that at least somebody in the council has not lost all commonsense !  What country are we living in, for Heavens sake !

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