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PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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Hi guys,

I received a PCN for turning into the bus terminal at Euston, basically I was supposed to be going straight, then realised the cars ahead of me stopped so I would have been stuck on the yellow box junction so I quickly turned left as I had moved forward already, then I realised where I had turned into, obviously didn't see the no lefts allowed on the traffic lights as I was going straight anyway, it was only due to quick thinking I turned in without realising what road it was.

I need to appeal or pay the reduced rate by tomorrow so hoping to seek some advice. Upon looking at the evidence online, the video footage shows a vehicle making a traffic contravention, but fails to show the registration due to poor quality footage. There is a separate still photo, which is pitch black with a registration plate illuminated but doesn't show any contravention occurring. In the photo specifically it also looks like two tail lights illuminated beside the number plate but when looking at the video the vehicle does not have any tail lights beside the number plate. Obviously I know it was me but the video evidence shows A vehicle turning in but no registration mark, and the image, which shows no evidence of anything other than of a registration plate with conflicting looking details on the image.

Do I have any grounds to appeal with this?

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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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As this is not a PCN from an unregulated private parking company, I have asked the mod to move it to the correct forum,
Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on)
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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« Last Edit: November 18, 2024, 05:02:21 pm by stamfordman »

Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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This is unfortunate. Bailing out of the box is good thinking but there are multiple signs about not going left here. Turning right was the option.

I'm not sure there'll be a way to challenge this.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5277258,-0.1311634,3a,75y,288.67h,86.36t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-XlNtLOrjAjNvnigcCiUuQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.6436635607560532%26panoid%3D-XlNtLOrjAjNvnigcCiUuQ%26yaw%3D288.6738570267943!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTExMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D


You're right, but it was dark and very busy, I was on the left lane so couldn't go right but it was very quick thinking to the first free space out of there, I hadn't seen or noticed any signs. I'm going to appeal it based on the contradictory evidence, it will probably be rejected but hey ho.

Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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I've modified my post as maybe the no entry signs are not that well posted and it is a no entry contravention.

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I've modified my post as maybe the no entry signs are not that well posted and it is a no entry contravention.
There is a no left sign except buses and taxis on the traffic light, but I had passed that and wasn't looking at the beforehand as I was going straight.

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A little help from Chat GPT with some amendments  ;)

I am writing to formally appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on the grounds that the evidence provided does not conclusively prove that a contravention occurred.
Upon reviewing the evidence provided, I note the following inconsistencies and concerns that I believe justify the cancellation of this PCN:

1. Failure to Display a Registration Mark in the Video Evidence
The video footage clearly shows the vehicle in question making a contravention. However, the vehicle does not display a legible registration mark in the video. This raises serious doubts about the ability to definitively identify the vehicle, as the absence of a legible registration mark undermines the accuracy and reliability of the footage as evidence of my vehicle’s involvement in the contravention.

2. Separate Image Showing the Registration Mark but No Contravention
A separate still image provided shows my vehicle’s registration mark clearly visible. However, this image does not depict the contravention itself. Instead, it simply shows a highlighted registration plate, without any indication of the alleged violation. As such, this image cannot be used to substantiate the claim of a contravention.

3. Discrepancy in Vehicle Features Between the Video and Photo Evidence
The still image showing the registration mark also clearly shows two tail lights beside the number plate. However, the video footage does not show any tail lights beside the number plate. This significant discrepancy suggests that the video and the photo may not have been taken of the same vehicle or at the same time, further weakening the case for a contravention.

Given these discrepancies, I respectfully request that the penalty charge be reconsidered and the PCN be cancelled, as the evidence provided fails to conclusively demonstrate that a contravention occurred involving my vehicle.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your response.

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Chat GPT ?
more like Chat CRAP
for starters it doesn't have the ability to differentiate between rear lights and refectors. amongst many other failings
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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I purposely called it tail lights even though they are reflectors, to highlight the difference in the video and image. Feel free to make it better please, open to suggestions.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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Chat GPT ?
more like Chat CRAP
for starters it doesn't have the ability to differentiate between rear lights and refectors. amongst many other failings
Please elaborate on the many other failings before I send it.

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You may as well try what you have. They will reject it but may give us something to go on.
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@stamf your right they will reject anything as a matter of course.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
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I've submitted the appeal, I'll keep you guys posted.