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*Repost from Fightback Forum*

Dear all,

I received this parking ticket on Thursday of last week. I had a gig at a venue on Brick Lane, and had managed to find a parking spot directly outside. I paid £5 for an hour of parking from 6pm - 7pm. after which the restrictions ended.

I left the gig at midnight. The last thing I expected was to have a PCN as I checked and double checked the timings. I drove off from the spot and a couple minutes later I discover the PCN tucked in the front window.



The offence is described: 'Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any part of a road other than a carriageway'.



Please could you have a look at their evidence and let me know if I have grounds to challenge? I see faint lines marking the parking bay on one side, but no lines on the other side. The brick changes as the space becomes the footpath. I assumed as long as I was on the darker bricks, I would be ok.

All photo evidence is found via this google drive link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d1...gqh?usp=sharing

I understand I have left this later then desirable to appeal, but any help at this stage is much appreciated.


Thank you,

John

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All photo evidence is found via this google drive link:
 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d1...gqh?usp=sharing


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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

This is what I get (below) but usually Google drive links open without probs.





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John U.K. try the link I re-posted, I've just tried it in incognito mode and it works fine.

As for the PCN, this case is relevant: Trudie Tinsley v London Borough of Waltham Forest (2210064678, 13 March 2021)

Draft reps (for the informal stage something very brief will do):


Dear London Borough of Tower Hamlets,

I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. My car was parked within a marked footway parking bay, as confirmed by the CEO's photos. I can only assume the CEO issued the PCN in error.

Yours faithfully,

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Hi, my appeal was rejected in July. And I had not seen the email.

I recently received a letter in the post asking for the £130.

Are you still able to make a rep for me?

I've added their response to this post as a PDF. Also In this drive link below if need be.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d1Eh9YW9vTqN-bjErlGJTNtllJbcgqh?usp=sharing

Really appreciate your help!
« Last Edit: September 21, 2023, 09:00:28 pm by johnsmith22 »

The document you have received is likely to be the Notice to Owner. Please post it up here or if it's something else, post that up. At NtO stage, the discount option has gone, so it's a no-brainer to submit reps again. When they reject, they may re-offer the discount, but are under no legal duty to do so.

Hi Incandescent,

The Notice To Owner is attached below..

Many thanks for your help.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2023, 09:00:03 pm by johnsmith22 »

You might want to redact your postal address from documents before posting them on here.

Anyway you've not attached the notice to owner, you've attached another copy of the informal notice of rejection from 24 July.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Oh yes thank you. Apologies, NTO is now in this google drive Link..

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17d1Eh9YW9vTqN-bjErlGJTNtllJbcgqh?usp=sharing

Thank you again for your help..
« Last Edit: September 21, 2023, 09:13:17 pm by johnsmith22 »

Honestly I would just make the same representation again.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Would that be the exact same one as you posted further up this thread? ...

"Dear London Borough of Tower Hamlets,

I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. My car was parked within a marked footway parking bay, as confirmed by the CEO's photos. I can only assume the CEO issued the PCN in error.

Yours faithfully,"



Yes.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Dear cp8759

Yesterday I had this reply from Tower Hamlets. Marked in the same google drive link as 'Response 19/10/23'

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yrN5RC_JykqmWl8R4kT0knLNssnOiWjv/view?usp=share_link

In your opinion, is this worth appealing further?

Many thanks,

Ben

For me this is a difficult one. It is obvious that there once was a bay there, but the council decided to put in a short length of double-yellow lines and to paint out the bay markings with black over-paint which has partly worn off. All double-yellow lines apply to a road, so apply to footways and verges up to the property line; in your case, the wall.

Here is the location shown on GSV July 2022.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/f3qd4Dw6vhUewGFb8
It is clear the double-yellows are placed there to allow free exit from the building. Personally, I'd be reluctant to take this to London Tribunals as the double-yellow lines are clear.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2023, 05:49:44 pm by cp8759 »