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READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**,

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

we need to see the VIDEO, that's the most important thing.

using a remote host ??

You need to unredact the PCN no and VRM then someone can post the video which is the critical thing.

How is this for my appeal:

I am appealing this PCN on the following grounds grounds.

It would appear that the size of the box is too long.  The corners of the junction have a very wide radius, but it is not necessary for the box to cover that both corners.  Indeed it appears that it does not conform to the regulations as set out in the ........ Can someone tell me what regulations!!  if the box would have been the correct length, I would have cleared it.

No obstruction to other traffic was caused, indeed you can see a car pulling out from the side turning and turning right without any impediment.

The white car in front of mine proceeded over the box junction and then stopped when there was no need to and I had expected to clear the box junction had  the driver have moved up as they should have.

Under the circumstances I expect the Council to cancel this PCN.

How about this?  Is it okay to send.

I am appealing this PCN on the following grounds grounds.

It would appear that the size of the box is too long.  The corners of the junction have a very wide radius, but it is not necessary for the box to cover that both corners.  Indeed it appears that it does not conform to the regulations as set out in the The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD 2016) Schedule 9 Regulation 11 (6)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/9/

If the box would have been the correct length, I would have cleared it.

No obstruction to other traffic was caused, indeed you can see a car pulling out from the side turning and turning right without any impediment.

The white car in front of mine proceeded over the box junction and then stopped when there was no need to and I had expected to clear the box junction had  the driver have moved up as they should have.

Under the circumstances I expect the Council to cancel this PCN.

OP, manage your expectations on this one pl.

All the regs say is that as regards a 'box junction' this may only be placed and is defined as a)at a junction between two or more roads;

As far as I am aware there is no case law which clearly lays out what is and is not to be considered as where two roads meet. *

If you've sent your reps then the die is cast and you can only await their response.

If this goes further then you might want to look at the layout of other box junctions in the council area e.g. do they all follow the same pattern of being placed at the point where the radius ends as it meets the parallel side of the road being joined, as here. Or perhaps, as the Traffic Sign Manual (TSM) shows, the corner of the box should be placed at the mid-point of the radius. Another factor could be that the 'give way' road markings in the side road terminate prior to the yellow box, indicating that this is the correct extent of the 'junction'.

*- in simple terms, is the radius inclusive or exclusive to the side road or, as per TSM, they have an equal share.