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Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #15 on: »
Do nothing.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #16 on: »
@DIP181394 check the amount due on https://parking.newham.gov.uk/ once a week, as soon as it drops down to £65 let us know and I will draft a representation for you.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #17 on: »
@cp8759 pls find attached the message I get when I try searching for PCN.

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Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #18 on: »
@cp8759 pls find attached the message I get when I try searching for PCN.
I have no idea what you're doing, you need to look up the PCN on this page: https://parking.newham.gov.uk/pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=NOTICEREVIEW
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #19 on: »
Thanks.
That worked I can see its still £204.
Will
Keep checking.

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #20 on: »
I have just received the attached notice from the council which suggests £65 within 14 days.

I really appreciate your help with drafting the representation.

Thank you



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« Last Edit: May 26, 2024, 12:26:58 pm by cp8759 »

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #21 on: »
Please post up the remaining pages (often mistakes in 'small print').

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #22 on: »
@cp8759 pls find attached the full doc as requested.









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« Last Edit: May 26, 2024, 12:24:50 pm by cp8759 »

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #23 on: »
Video for PN74336695:



@DIP181394 please stop adding documents as attachments, there is a detailed guide here on how to post images.

Here's a draft representation:

---START---
Dear London Borough of Newham,

I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur. There is no advance warning signage on Leytonstone Road so once a driver is committed to the turn, there is little to no chance to take an alternative route.

Furthermore, the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 require diagram 619 signs to be illuminated during the hours of darkness, but no such illumination is present.

It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled.
---END---

I'd expect the council to reject but you can then appeal to the tribunal, I've won at this location before.

Send the representation online via https://parking.newham.gov.uk/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL and keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2024, 08:34:21 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #24 on: »
@cp8759 I have tried to use the councils online portal to appeal but i keep getting plank screen and the web page description says representation denied. i have tried to call the council a few times but their lines are always busy.

Is there a possibility that I can appeal any other way pls

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #25 on: »
@cp8759 I was abled to submit the appeal for one of the penalties using formal representations option on the council portal.

I just wanted to check the charge to pay will be locked in at £65 as I appealed within my 14 days? Or will that increase to the full price?

I received the below email:

“ Thank you for your representation, which has been allocated to the above Penalty Charge Notice. The case is now on hold until a response is sent to you either by email (if an email address has been provided) or by post.

Where a PCN is issued under the Traffic Management Act (TMA) 2004, the council will respond to your challenge within 56 days of the date it was received.

If you challenge your penalty charge notice within 14 days from the date of service of the notice, known as an informal challenge where the notice was placed on the vehicle or handed to the driver. Then it will then be held at the reduced rate and a further 14 days will be given, from the date of our correspondence, to pay at the reduced rate if your challenge is not accepted.

Any PCNs issued by a camera, such as bus lanes, no entry restrictions, motor vehicle restriction zones, pedestrian zones in pursuant to the Road Traffic Regulations Act 1984 (as amended), London Local Authorities 1996 and Transport for London Act 2003 will be responded to as soon as possible. There is no corresponding provision within the Acts relating to bus lane and moving traffic contraventions which require that an Enforcement Authority must respond within a statutory time limit.”

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #26 on: »
This is the second penalty notice I received but that was while coming back, as I was new to the area I was using google maps, and the map directed me to us Chobham road, and by the time I saw the sign i was too far down the street to be able to turn back.

Can I use the same representation for this too penalty as per the below as the contravention is of the same kind and on the same day just roughly an hour apart.

Looking forward to hearing from you cp8759, also thank u so much for all your help so far,



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Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #27 on: »
@cp8759 I was abled to submit the appeal for one of the penalties using formal representations option on the council portal.

I just wanted to check the charge to pay will be locked in at £65 as I appealed within my 14 days? Or will that increase to the full price?
@DIP181394 with the best will in the world, you should forget about the discount. Yes the council will reoffer it to dissuade you from appealing to the tribunal, but it's only at the tribunal that you will get a fair hearing, so frankly the discount is just a distraction.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN for 52M
« Reply #28 on: »
This is the second penalty notice I received but that was while coming back, as I was new to the area I was using google maps, and the map directed me to us Chobham road, and by the time I saw the sign i was too far down the street to be able to turn back.

Can I use the same representation for this too penalty as per the below as the contravention is of the same kind and on the same day just roughly an hour apart.

Looking forward to hearing from you cp8759, also thank u so much for all your help so far,
Video for PN74336709:



No you cannot use the same representation, coming the other way you aren't turning into the signs as you approach them head-on.

So why did you drive past the signs, did you not know what they mean? Or did you just think there wouldn't be a CCTV camera?

For the record, it has been extremely unhelpful that you had two PCNs and never actually spelt that out. I'm going to leave them both on this thread as they're related to the same journey and the thread is intertwined, but really you should have spelt this out from the start.

Also do you have a copy of the hire agreement? If so, we need to see it please.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2024, 08:41:02 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order