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PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« on: August 21, 2024, 02:59:51 pm »
Council - London Borough of Redbridge
Road - Sunnymede Drive, Gants Hill

There is a restriction on vehicles entering this road during school hours due to a school nearby.

Looking at the pictures i have attached: https://imgur.com/a/YwphPcZ, the times you cannot use these roads are 8am-915am, 230pm-4pm Monday-Friday term time only. On the 12th July i entered this road at 2:40pm, the roads were completely empty with no school rush on surrounding roads.

The PCN was dated 26th July. Is there any advice or anything i could do to get out of this if possible please? Also, just to be clear, term time is not clearly stated.

Note: I have removed my PCN and Reg plate number for personal preferences, despite the guide saying to keep them in. If anyone does require this info. Please do let me know. Thanks.
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2024, 03:07:11 pm »
Quote from: Sizzle89 on August 21, 2024, 02:59:51 pm
Note for moderator: I'm trying to attach the photos but it says the upload folder is full.
Now that your post has been moved to the council forum (you had posted in the 'Speeding & other criminal offences' forum), please read this thread: READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL, Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases.

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2024, 04:46:23 pm »
Thanks. This has all been updated. Any help on this case would be much appreciated. Thanks
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2024, 05:08:11 pm »
Your 28 days have elapsed by three days. I would check the status - I cannot because you have chosen to redact the details. You could try and make out of time representations but I expect you may well be at the Charge Certificate stage.

Only you can check. If it still says £130 try and make representations and ask them to exercise their discretion.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2024, 07:54:15 pm by Hippocrates »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2024, 04:30:20 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on August 29, 2024, 05:08:11 pm
Your 28 days have elapsed by three days. I would check the status - I cannot because you have chosen to redact the details. You could try and make out of time representations but I expect you may well be at the Charge Certificate stage.

Only you can check. If it still says £130 try and make representations and ask them to exercise their discretion.

Thanks for the response. Originally i uploaded the first letter which was sent to the lease company from the council. I have now received the letter addressed to me dated 23/8. So i am still eligible to pay the £65. Is there anything i can do to appeal this with the info i have provided on this thread? What do you mean by 'out of time representations'?
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2024, 07:38:56 pm »
PM sent. I now understand the situation. With this council, I always advise making formal representations as late as possible as they are trigger-happy in terms of issuing charge certificates before they can. You have 28 days to do this from the date of service.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2024, 07:43:14 pm by Hippocrates »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2024, 01:10:35 pm »
The term time plate is an issue.

Please: go to make a representation and enter your details after clicking on all the tedious grounds which do not apply. Then screenshot what it says about the grounds. If it says choose one ground, that is another issue. Please post it up here.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088

« Last Edit: September 01, 2024, 10:48:00 pm by cp8759 »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰ

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2024, 10:49:20 pm »
@Sizzle89 please post the new PCN issued to you, and please don't redact the VRM or PCN number.

Also please confirm the name of the hire company.
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2024, 03:38:10 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on September 01, 2024, 01:10:35 pm
The term time plate is an issue.

Please: go to make a representation and enter your details after clicking on all the tedious grounds which do not apply. Then screenshot what it says about the grounds. If it says choose one ground, that is another issue. Please post it up here.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088



Thanks for your help on this. I have followed the steps you have told me to and my screenshot is the same as yours: https://imgur.com/quyu3G7

What should i do? I have a day left until the 14 days on my new pcn is reached.
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2024, 03:43:47 pm »
Quote from: cp8759 on September 01, 2024, 10:49:20 pm
@Sizzle89 please post the new PCN issued to you, and please don't redact the VRM or PCN number.

Also please confirm the name of the hire company.

Replied via pm mate
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2024, 09:03:42 pm »
The traffic order is The Redbridge (Prescribed Routes) (School Streets) (No.1) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2023, I can't see any issues with it.

What's the length of the lease? Is it a personal lease or is it through an employer?
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2024, 08:13:15 am »
Quote from: cp8759 on September 05, 2024, 09:03:42 pm
The traffic order is The Redbridge (Prescribed Routes) (School Streets) (No.1) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2023, I can't see any issues with it.

What's the length of the lease? Is it a personal lease or is it through an employer?


36 months. Through employer. Any further suggestions please?
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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 07:24:43 pm »
I would make reps. as late as possible as:

1. They will reoffer the discount.

2. They are trigger-happy with sending out charge certificates.

28 days from the date of service of the PCN.

The term time plate is the main issue at this stage.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:47:37 pm »
Dear Redbridge

Ref:  PCN    VRM   

I make this formal representation:

The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours

Reg. keeper

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23rd September is the deadline so please please do not send it now!
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 09:07:31 pm by Hippocrates »
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰ
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