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PCN contravention code 21r
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Hi there, new to this forum and hope I'm posting correctly.
It is a question really.  Does the bay begin from the point a which the yellow parking suspension sign is placed? I ask because I received a PCN because I parked in an area where the sign said outside numbers 98 to 102. I took that to mean house number, so parked outside number 96. I did challenge and explained where I had parked but got a response relevant para below from L Simmons.

"The Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) observed your vehicle parked in a bay suspended for Domestic Removal. You have stated you parked outside of number 96, however, I have referred to the CEO’s notes that record your vehicle was parked a reasonable distance from a time plate that had the suspension details stated on a large yellow sign. This bay was suspended from Maygrove Road Bay Type; Permit Holders Only Location: Outside 98 to 102 from 08:30 to 18:30 from the 14/08/2025 to 14/08/2025."

No idea what 'a reasonable distance from a time plate' means. 

Can anyone explain what the above means please?

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Re: PCN contravention code 21r
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Post the PCN, your challenge and their full rejection blanking only name and address.

It sounds like they are trying it on but we need to see things.

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The Council in their rejection letter sent pictures of my card and the sign (attached). Annoyingly, I took a picture of the house which my car was parked in front of but failed to frame it so that the door number and car were in the same shot so have not shared that.



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Please follow Stamfordman's advice and post copies of the documents here, only redacting yr name & address - leave all else in. Please also post a GSV link to the location of the car at the time.

For guidance on posting images see

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

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Attached is the pdf (3pages) with the pictures posted by the council. I hope this adheres to the guidance.




Link to street view google maps https://maps.app.goo.gl/fvqGBW31WSMuS49P8

Re: PCN contravention code 21r
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You'll need to post better resolution images, these are unreadable. Also post the PCN as well.

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Actually cannot post better images as I used the suggested free file sharing platform which is not great and I cannot upload a pdf directly here. Feeling a bit inept.

Please, to save badgering again, could someone clarify whether a parking suspension begins from where the sign is posted rather than the house numbers or bays detailed on them?  If it is, then this tells me I should not further challenge the PCN.

Many thanks.

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What are the PCN number and car VRM.

We can't read the rejection as you've posted minute pics of it.

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...  If it is, then this tells me I should not further challenge the PCN.

Many thanks.

Actually there might be a number of different reasons that would allow you to challenge the PCN.  That's why they want to read all the documents to see if other reasons might invalidate the PCN.

If you give the vehicle registration number and PCN number they can be checked.

Re: PCN contravention code 21r
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Actually cannot post better images as I used the suggested free file sharing platform which is not great and I cannot upload a pdf directly here. Feeling a bit inept.

. . .

Many thanks.


Don't feel inept. We've all struggled with uploading at some point. Hope this may help:

The easiest way to upload docs here (unless you have no mobile phone camera) is to use yr  phone to photo each page of each doc, redacting yr name & address where it occurs, and uploading the images to an external site like  https://ibb.co/ or imgur and copy and post the BBCodes here. I use ibb with no probs. (Scroll down past the image to see the BBCode.)

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Thank you. The docs were emailed and I cannot print them off to photograph them. I ffear if I screen shot, they will be as bad as the last set.


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If you can use the PCN and VRM, they are:

CU71667554  LF22XZC.


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Thank you. The docs were emailed and I cannot print them off to photograph them. I ffear if I screen shot, they will be as bad as the last set.

@Stamfordman knows much more about posting images than I do, and my have other suggestions, but meanwhile:


Are your working with a PC or solely from a mobile?

If you can access a PC, you should be able to access the images on Camden's website and download them.

What happens when you save yr pdf's  and try to attach them to your posts? I believe there is some limited attachment space here.

Wev also need to see what you wrote in yr reps to them. If you e-mailed you should be able to copy and paste them here.

Incidentally, I thought Councils still had to communicate with you by post, even if also using e-mail, but I may be out of date.

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You can email me the rejection letter and I'll post it without your personal details.

marcb@csi.com

Main council pics.







« Last Edit: September 04, 2025, 02:25:19 pm by stamfordman »

Re: PCN contravention code 21r
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Thank you. I have just emailed you the rejection letter. 

My response was via the PCN portal rather than via email, so I don't actually have a copy of it. Just logged in again to see if it was there and it is not.