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Hi there, I have received a parking ticket for an alleged contravention (12s) and would like some advice on appealing.  To be honest I had been kicked out of the family home so spent the night in a hotel round the corner.  I overslept and paid as soon as I woke up, its only when I returned to the car did I see a pcn.

I have attached the pcn in question.  And I aslo have evidence of hotel booking and paid parking.


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I overslept and paid as soon as I woke up, its only when I returned to the car did I see a pcn.
PCN is timed at 09.39. When did you pay and when does paid parking commence at the car park ?
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paid parking commences at 9am.  I paid at 09:48
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So basically, you are bang-to-rights as you were too late paying.  I'm assuming your PaybyPhone app doesn't allow you to back-time the time the parking is to start.

Anyway, submit informal reps against the PCN, based on your narrative. I think you should explain the circumstances and that you paid as soon as you were able to. Ask that they cancel the PCN on this ocasion as the circumstances were so unusual.  Point out that you did not try to avoid payment, and only saw the PCN on the car when you returned to it later in the morning. You may get a result, but I can't see it worth risking the full PCN penalty at the adjudicators.
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The PCN has flaws:  served v occurred.  Mr Mustard may be along soon.
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Yes, the pcn is incorrect on the back as to the 28 days. I like to write all challenges. Email mrmustard@zoho.com
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I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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Quote from: mrmustard on January 17, 2024, 11:26:30 pm
Yes, the pcn is incorrect on the back as to the 28 days. I like to write all challenges. Email mrmustard@zoho.com

Hi, I have sent you an email on Tuesday..please let me know if its something you can help with.  Thank you
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The 28 day target is no longer winning at London Tribunals so asking for kindness is the best option.
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I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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Submit your informal reps by email on 29th Jan.

The PCN is worded unusually in that the authority have committed themselves to re-offer the discount if unsuccessful informal reps are submitted no later than '14 days from the date of issue of the PCN'. Most councils hedge their bets as regards re-offering and align the period with the mandatory discount period of 14 days beginning on..

In this case, the discount period ends on 28th whereas the unsuccessful reps period ends on 29th.

As you don't seem to have a silver bullet then submit on 29th and hope that their systems aren't smart enough and if they reject they don't offer the discount. If their website states the same then you would have grounds of 'penalty exceeded...' for formal reps.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2024, 12:37:58 pm by H C Andersen »
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Quote from: Aubama on January 17, 2024, 01:29:12 pm
Hi there, I have received a parking ticket for an alleged contravention (12s) and would like some advice on appealing.  To be honest I had been kicked out of the family home so spent the night in a hotel round the corner.
That's some pretty compelling mitigation that should be used at the Notice to Owner stage.

Do you have any supporting evidence? Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not share on here.

We can probably get a failure to consider as well.
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I have put an informal challenge in
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I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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