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Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
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Good morning H C Andersen

My apologies.  I've attached the 2nd and 3rd pages now.

What are your thoughts please?

Thanks again.

Deborah

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Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #31 on: »
Good morning

Can anyone help with my appeal to the independent adjudicator?  I know I've got until 7 Feb to do it but I need to piece it together and make sure it covers everything I need it too, and also make sure I get any information together that I need to.

Thanks everyone.

Deb

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #32 on: »
Hi

Hope you all had a great weekend.

Can anyone confirm whether or not I've got a case against MCC, and whether it's worth me preparing an appeal for the Independent Adjudicator?

Thank you in advance.

Deb

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #33 on: »

As your only alternative is to pay then you may as well appeal.

NOR deemed served 12 Jan - pl forget about 13th - therefore you must register no later than 8 Feb.

I think your only grounds are Procedural Impropriety:
1. I have been consistent throughout the enforcement process in my belief that cars have parked in exactly the same location as here for a long period but without being issued with PCNs and that by extension I had a legitimate expectation that such parking was not penalised. Indeed I have parked there before without issue. I accept that on normal roads parking by a dropped footway should be enforced. However, I submit that there is no way in which this area could be considered as a 'normal' road. GSV shows the unorthodox method apparently adopted by the council to stop up this road which gives the whole area the appearance of a dump and not a road. Had the authority responded robustly and evidentially to this assertion in my informal representations then I would have accepted my mistake, paid and moved on. But they did not.

All they have said at both the informal and formal stages is that they have reviewed the PCN and concluded that it was issued correctly. I submit that this fundamentally misunderstands their duty which is not simply to decide whether the PCN was issued correctly, which can only turn on what was known to the CEO at the time, but to consider my representations.

I respectfully suggest that they have not met this duty.


2. At the time, I believed that although the authority's response to my informal representations was defective, I would receive proper and more detailed condsideration at the formal stage. Unfortunately, I did not, neither was the discount re-offered. I therefore felt compelled to appeal and look in further detail at the NOR. In this respect, I submit that the NOR fails to state that an appeal may be submitted and registered by the adjudicator later than the 28-day period stated provided that reasons for lateness are included. The NOR gives a single deadline of 'no later than' which, given the reportedly chaotic state of postal services in some areas, could have a significant effect upon an owner. As this requirement is specified in the 2022 regulations, I submit that it doesn't lie with the authority to choose those parts it will include in NORs and those that it will not. I would add that this defect is compounded by their use of revoked regulatory provisions regarding 'Service' i.e. 2007 Regulations.

Just some thoughts.

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #34 on: »
It is a total no-brainer to now take them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, because they have not re-offered the discount, the penalty remains the same, and there are no extra costs either.

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #35 on: »
Good morning

Can anyone help with my appeal to the independent adjudicator?  I know I've got until 7 Feb to do it but I need to piece it together and make sure it covers everything I need it too, and also make sure I get any information together that I need to.

Thanks everyone.

Deb

Hi

I don't do TPT cases anymore but I suggest you ask cp8759 and/or Mr Mustard.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #36 on: »
I've sent a PM.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #37 on: »
I see CP8759 has sent you a PM, so hopefully he will help you. 

Anyway, I think HCA's suggested text says most of what needs to be said. The only thing is I would break away his last sentence on them quoting the 2007 regs and put this as a new item. It is a procedural impropriety to quote the wrong regulations.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2024, 12:37:18 am by Incandescent »

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #38 on: »
....I avoided claiming this was a PI in itself because:

A “procedural impropriety” means a failure by an enforcement authority to observe any requirement imposed on it by—

(a)the TMA 2004,

(b)the 2022 General Regulations, or

(c)these Regulations,

in relation to the imposition or recovery of a penalty charge or other sum.


I referred to the 2007 regs in the way I did because I didn't want to overplay the point because quoting the rules of service is not a requirement 'imposed' the authority have simply chosen to add this.

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #39 on: »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN Code 27 'Parked adjacent to a dropped footway' MCC
« Reply #40 on: »
WTF??

Who mentioned PCN in the context of the second grounds, it's the NOR which was faulty!

I therefore felt compelled to appeal and look in further detail at the NOR. In this respect, I submit that the NOR fails to state that an appeal may be submitted and registered by the adjudicator later than the 28-day period stated provided that reasons for lateness are included. The NOR gives a single deadline of 'no later than' which, given the reportedly chaotic state of postal services in some areas, could have a significant effect upon an owner. As this requirement is specified in the 2022 regulations, I submit that it doesn't lie with the authority to choose those parts it will include in NORs and those that it will not. I would add that this defect is compounded by their use of revoked regulatory provisions regarding 'Service' i.e. 2007 Regulations.