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Hi all,

I've received a PCN from Redbridge Council for allegedly “failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone” on Uphall Road on 10/06/2025 at 15:45.

Details:

PCN Number: AF20306934

Vehicle Reg: KL18 EKJ

Contravention: Entering a pedestrian zone (School Street)

Notice Date: 19/06/2025

The problem is: I genuinely did not see any clear signs warning me about a pedestrian zone or School Street restriction.

The images from their evidence you can see overgrown trees also and the only sign is visible from the approach road Harvey road where if coming from the direction I was travelling you cannot see any of the signs.

I’ve now gone back and taken a photo (see attached) from the exact angle I approached. As you can see, the signage is obscured by tree branches and is barely visible until you’re already entering the restricted area. In my opinion, this is unfair and misleading for drivers unfamiliar with the road.

Key points:

No clear advance warning of the restriction

The restriction sign is heavily obscured by foliage

This was during the school term but I had no way of knowing a restriction was in place

It’s not reasonable to expect drivers to spot a hidden sign and stop suddenly

Has anyone here successfully challenged a Redbridge PCN on these grounds? I’m thinking of appealing on the basis of inadequate signage / poor visibility, but would appreciate any advice or wording examples that have worked before.

I'm asking for advice as from previous tickets I now know that I should seek help before any replies are made so to not implicate myself.

I do have more images if its needed

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Well, Google Street View isn't much help in this case as it predates the signs.

I or they haven't shown images of Google street view. Im not sure what your question or comment is about? Please explain thanks appreciate the reply

I have done a couple as has cp8759. What does the blue plate say?  Back later with a draft as enjoying the penultimate day of my holiday. Your initial points re signage are fine.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Thanks alright no worries wait for the reply

I or they haven't shown images of Google street view. Im not sure what your question or comment is about? Please explain thanks appreciate the reply

In the sticky thread READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** everyone starting a new thread is asked to provide a Google Street View link to the location, so the experts here can look round the area and see local signage.

You didn't do this, so I helped out by posting it for you, with a comment that in your particular case it's not as useful as it usually is.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2025, 01:44:57 pm by Grant Urismo »

Oh right sorry I didn't quiet understand you there 😅  ill keep that reminder for next time I post thank you for posting it for me

So my direction of travel has no signs stating anything but on Uphall Road the one in blue says school streets restricted access term-time only

This is the appeal I wish to send to them does it seem okay?

Subject: Representation Against Penalty Charge Notice – PCN No. AF20306934

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the issuance of Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) number AF20306934 served to vehicle registration KL18 EKJ regarding an alleged contravention on 10/06/2025 at 15:45 on Uphall Road.

The PCN alleges a contravention of “failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone.” However, I strongly contest this charge on the basis of inadequate and obscured signage, which renders the restriction unenforceable under applicable legislation.


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Grounds for Representation – Inadequate Signage

The signage indicating the pedestrian zone was not adequately visible or clear at the time of entry. I have since revisited the site and can confirm that the relevant sign is obscured by overhanging tree branches, making it impossible to clearly see or comprehend the restriction in time to take appropriate action.

This is in breach of Regulation 18(1) of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, which states:

> “Where an order relating to any road has been made, the order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to secure... the adequate information as to the effect of the order is made available to persons using the road.”



If signage is obstructed, damaged, poorly maintained, or not clearly visible, the motorist cannot be reasonably expected to comply with the restriction. This is supported by numerous adjudicator decisions in previous London Tribunals cases, such as Campbell v Camden (Case No. 2070247504) and Metrorail v Brent (Case No. 218043674A), both of which confirmed that inadequate signage constitutes valid grounds for cancellation of a PCN.


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Further Supporting Points:

No advance warning signs were visible prior to entering the zone, which would normally give a motorist the opportunity to make a safe alternative decision.

The photographic evidence provided in the PCN does not clearly demonstrate that the restriction sign was visible or legible from the driver’s approach.

As the restriction appears to be a School Street zone, no exemption or alternative route was clearly signed for non-local or unfamiliar drivers.



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Request for Cancellation

I respectfully request that this PCN be cancelled on the grounds that the restriction was not properly communicated in accordance with statutory requirements, and therefore the alleged contravention did not occur.

Should you choose not to cancel the PCN, I request that you provide the following:

1. A copy of the Traffic Management Order (TMO) that covers this restriction.


2. Evidence that the sign was visible and compliant on the date and time in question.


3. Maintenance records or inspection logs proving that the sign was not obstructed at the time.



I reserve the right to escalate this appeal to the independent adjudicator at London Tribunals should this representation be rejected.

Yours faithfully,

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How close are you to the deadline to submit reps. Reason I ask is that the white text on blue signs saying "term time only"  below the main sign are unlawful, because they fail to tell the motorist whether it is OK to pass the sign or not. This has already won appeals at London Tribunals, so i think you need to incorporate this into your reps.

Hopefully Hippocrates, suitably rested after his Koz holiday will respond seen.

I've got only until the 3rd of July 2025

ive used Ai to get information and its stated

2. Unlawful Supplementary Plate: “Term Time Only”
The restriction sign includes a supplementary blue plate stating "Term Time Only". This sign is inherently ambiguous and fails to specify which term dates, which days, or what times the restriction is active. There is no legal obligation on a driver to research local school term calendars to determine compliance.

This kind of signage has already been deemed unlawful and unenforceable in multiple London Tribunals decisions, including:

Case 221044831A (v. Redbridge)

Case 2220523143

In these and other cases, adjudicators ruled that such signage fails to meet the requirements of the TSRGD 2016, and renders the restriction legally unenforceable.

✅ PCN Cancelled by Redbridge – Uphall Road School Street Victory

Just wanted to share a successful outcome in case it helps others.

I received a PCN from Redbridge Council for allegedly entering a pedestrian zone on Uphall Road (School Street restriction) on 10/06/25 at 15:45. The signage was obscured by overgrown tree branches, and there was a confusing “term time only” sign that didn’t make it clear whether restrictions applied.

I submitted formal representations pointing out:

The inadequate visibility of signage (photo evidence included)

The unlawfulness of the “term time only” plate – based on prior London Tribunal decisions that found such signs fail to adequately inform motorists

Redbridge responded on 29/07/25 confirming the PCN was cancelled as a gesture of goodwill, though they maintain the notice was issued correctly.

Thanks to those who shared knowledge on the forum — especially around the sign legality. Hopefully this gives others confidence to appeal where appropriate.

Dear Rntim

I am sitting in the smallest room of my house.
At this moment, your letter of dishonourable retreat is in front of me.
In a moment, it will be behind me.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r