Author Topic: PCN 52m - Failing to comply with a prohibition, Hammersmith and Fulham Rivercourt Road  (Read 251 times)

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Hi All,

It's the usual suspect PCN from the habitual council to the keeper.

Attaching the picture link below.

Does anyone have an appeal draft format as strongly inclined to contest this.

The notice doesn't even mention clearly what prohibition exists in first place. Checked online video and no luck.

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There have been many appeals at London Tribunals for PCNs at this location, which was and I suspect still is, very badly signed on the A4 40mph approach on the the entrance to Rivercourt Road. Here is a view of a warning "sign" for GSV July this year:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uiqANsjmD6EjTvtb9
As you can see, all it says is no access to King St from Rivercourt Road. The whole problem with this restriction is it was imposed, as far as we can tell without any consultation with the authority for the A4 here, which is, I think, Transport for London. Consultation with interested parties is a duty under Regulation 6 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/6
In addition to this, there is a duty under Regulation 18 to erect adequate signage informing motorists of the restriction. Here it is laughably inadequate.
Note also the absurd height of the FLying Motorbike signs, espcially the one on the left.Easily missed by a motorist turning in from the 40mph A4 into the 20 mph Rivercourt Road.

However, searching the London Tribunals Statutory Register, I cannot find any cases for Rivercourt Road.

Anyway, wait a bit to see what the others come up with.

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thanks, that was my concern.

The speed of traffic doesn't even allow anyone to stop and read the signs. Also, there's hardly any space to stop or join the A4 back.

it seems to be a dead spot by design and let gullible motorists be penalised.

thanks, that was my concern.

The speed of traffic doesn't even allow anyone to stop and read the signs. Also, there's hardly any space to stop or join the A4 back.

it seems to be a dead spot by design and let gullible motorists be penalised.
It is extremely dangerous because what is a motorist suppose to do on seeing the signs, jam his brakes on and cause an accident ? The person or persons who thought up this dangerous restriction needs to be sacked immediately for gross incompetence.


However, searching the London Tribunals Statutory Register, I cannot find any cases for Rivercourt Road.



Hardly surprising, as H&F seem to fold at the last minute.

Hi All,
The notice doesn't even mention clearly what prohibition exists in first place.

Prohibition, as PCN says, is for certain types of vehicles - motor vehicles. Your vehicle does have a motor?  ;)


That said, as Incandescent says, we have had a plethora of cases here, with H&F giving way.

Use the forum's search box (top r-h corner of every page here) with  rivercourt a4 as the search term which will throw up plenty of threads on this topic to give you ideas for reps.
Here are some as starters:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lbhf-52m-prohibition-on-certain-vehicles-rivercourt-road-turning-from-great-west/msg76183/?topicseen#msg76183

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersith-london-rivercourt-rd/

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-fulham-rivercourt-road-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohib-6577/msg81519/?topicseen#msg81519

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-code-52m-failing-to-comply-with-a-prohibition-on-certain-/

A simple google search on on Rivercourt Road is also fruitful.

Anyway, please do, as usual, post up the PCN (all sides - only redact yr name & address, leaving all else in) and a GSV link to the location.

Many of the threads here no longer have their images accessible, and H&F have also made several changes to the signage both at the site and on the A4 approach. So if you are local or often in the area try to get some current photos/ dash cam footage.
Our member @Bustagate has written comprehensively about this scheme in some of the earlier threads.

Do post a draft rep here for comment before sending, but don't miss deadlines.

P.S. Please confirm: you are the registered keeper and yr name and address is on the PCN?
« Last Edit: December 13, 2025, 09:48:03 am by John U.K. »
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thanks, Yes the PCN is uploaded in original post.

Keeper address and name is correct on the PCN.

Please see draft response below:

"

Signage:

1) The absence of proper advance warning signs on the A4 before the Rivercourt Road junction means that adequate information about the restriction was not made available to road users. This is a fundamental legal requirement, and without it, no contravention can be established. H&F have also failed in their duty under LATOR (Local Authorities Traffic Orders Regulations) to place adequate signage, specifically clear and unequivocal signs on the A4 approach as required by Regulation 18. In the Oxfordshire case, advance warning signs were placed at 450, 180, and 20 yards before the restriction. No such advance signage exists on the A4 approaching Rivercourt Road, making this scheme legally deficient. Under the binding High Court judgment in R (Oxfordshire County Council) v. The Bus Lane Adjudicator [2010] EWHC 894 (Admin), paragraph 65, Beatson J established that: "If the signs do not in fact provide adequate information no offence is committed".

2) Under Section 121B of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Hammersmith & Fulham cannot implement restrictions affecting Transport for London roads (including the A4) without giving proper notice to TfL and obtaining TfL's approval or allowing the statutory consultation period to expire. This is particularly concerning as H&F cannot place signs on the A4 (which is TfL's responsibility), suggesting they may have failed to properly consult on signage requirements under LATOR Regulation 6(1). I formally request evidence that H&F complied with Section 121B requirements. If these statutory procedures were not followed, the entire restriction scheme is unlawful and void.

3) The scheme appears to violate H&F's statutory duty under Section 122 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 to "secure the expeditious, convenient and safe movement of vehicular and other traffic." Specific safety concerns include: Give Way markings (diagram 1003A) positioned just 8 meters from the A4, requiring vehicles to stop within 8 meters of exiting a major road, while the braking distance from 30mph is 13.5 meters (excluding thinking distance). Large vehicles (school buses, lorries) cannot physically comply with this requirement, creating a dangerous situation where vehicles may need to obstruct the A4.

4. Unreasonable Expectations on Non-Local Drivers
As an infrequent and non-local user of this route, I was unaware of any recent changes. My longstanding understanding of the road as one-way—reinforced by prominent "No Entry" signs—further contributed to the misinterpretation. The combination of unclear signage, road layout, and misleading cues made it unreasonable to expect safe and lawful navigation without error.


5) It is not clear from the PCN what are the restriction changes and neither the PCN or supporting video provides enough detail on what is the prohibition violated. The lack of advance warning to anyone, combined with inadequate signage, would create confusion on the contravention situation.

Driver Safety:

6) Once committed to the exit from the A4, reversing back onto the main carriageway would violate Highway Code Rules 200 and 201, making it both illegal and extremely dangerous. The restriction creates a dangerous situation as the kerbs and road design provide no safe means for a motorist to turn around and rejoin the A4 upon discovering the restriction.

Given these substantial legal deficiencies, I respectfully request immediate cancellation of this PCN as the restriction scheme appears to be legally flawed, unsafe, and unenforceable in its current form.

I look forward to your prompt response confirming cancellation of this charge.

Yours faithfully,

thanks, Yes the PCN is uploaded in original post.


Can only see over-redacted front page of PCN -  there may be mistakes in the 'small print' of the other pages. Providing the Reg Mark and PCN No. enables the experts here to see the totality of H&F's evidence.


Are you able to get any up-to date photos?