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TFL PCN: 46 Stopped on Red Route of Clearway
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Hey all… I sense I haven’t got a strong enough case to make a representation here but here we go:

I was driving to Birmingham and my car engine light came on so I pulled over. I waited for the car to cool down and my partner met me at the car before then driving off.

I haven’t got a receipt from a garage as the engine light hasn’t come back on since. It was a quiet Saturday so I just assumed it would be fine, but guess I have learned the hard way here.

This is the location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/V59Q7SBDwEhfQWiV9?g_st=ic






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If you had a receipt from a garage it would be a lot easier.  We also need to see the video.  If it shows your partner getting in the car, you'll struggle even more.
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my partner met me at the car before then driving off.

Why? Purely serendipitous that they happened to be in the area at the random time that your engine warning light came on and when they arrived your engine was cool enough to allow you to resume your journey? Is, in the absence of any independent evidence of your engine problem, exactly what TfL and an adjudicator would think and decide accordingly.

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Yeah I hear you - it’s a hard sell. I was driving from my partners to Birmingham and the engine light came on a few minutes from his house.

I agree that it’s a hard one to believe given the circumstances so I think paying is likely my only option.

Thanks for the input
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You were there, we weren't.

Did you drive off immediately after your partner got in the car?

Why were they even there, you were driving from theirs to Birmingham?

You could draw this out by making reps and hope for a procedural c**k-up on TfL's part. But would you be doing this against a background of justified, if unlikely, circumstances?

Only you know.
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Quote from: Podling on March 23, 2024, 10:57:53 am
Hey all… I sense I haven’t got a strong enough case to make a representation...
@Podling virtually all TFL PCNs can be beaten at present, however you posted on here and then paid less than two days later:



Sorry to say you've thrown your money away for nothing (no you cannot get it back).  Next time tag me in your opening post and I'll tell you how to challenge it.
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