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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Today have been exactly 56 days since I submitted the appeal, but I haven't heard back neither by email nor by post.

When I appealed, it stated that the council will aim to respond by post or email within 56 days.
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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There is no statutory deadline under the 1996 Act, but if they go over 3 months adjudicators might allow an appeal on the basis of undue / unreasonable delay.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Just enjoy the old adage:  no news is good news.  And do nothing.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Today I have received by post the 'Enforcement Notice' dated 9th October 2023. They have not responded at all to my representations, simply ignored them.

The alleged contravention was 27th May 2023 and it's been more than 56 days since I submitted my representations, but they were completely ignored.

Should I upload the enforcement notice here?
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Should I upload the enforcement notice here?

Yes - just redact name & address

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Thank you , submitting it now and will keep you updated when I heard back from them.

Did you get any sort of receipt or acknowledgement, or take screenshot of successful submission?
« Last Edit: October 11, 2023, 11:44:15 am by John U.K. »
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Quote from: John U.K. on October 11, 2023, 11:40:22 am
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Should I upload the enforcement notice here?

Yes - just redact name & address

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Thank you , submitting it now and will keep you updated when I heard back from them.

Did you get any sort of receipt or acknowledgement, or take screenshot of successful submission?

Here is the Enforcement Notice:







To answer your second question, yes I did receive email acknowledgement on the 2nd July 2023 with reference number. But I haven't had any further communications.  Judging on the enforcement notice, they treat it as if they didn't receive from me anything.
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
« Reply #21 on: »
Draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Havering,

I require you to consider my informal representations as my formal representations.

Yours faithfully,
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 12, 2023, 05:43:30 pm
Draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Havering,

I require you to consider my informal representations as my formal representations.

Yours faithfully,

Submitted and pasted my original informal representations, just in case they 'can't find them' ;-)
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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That's very unfortunate, if they hadn't found them you would have had a failure to consider as an additional ground.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
« Reply #24 on: »
You wouldn't be surprised to hear that I got Notice of Rejection of Formal representations.

I have scanned the letter , the right to appeal and the notice to appeal.











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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Well, as usual, with no re-offer of the discount,  it's now a total no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals as the penalty remains the same and there are no additional costs.
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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Do you want me to represent you free of charge?  Their paperwork is vastly defective and I have just won a costs award yesterday.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-driving-in-a-bus-lane-within-the-restricted-period-insufficient-upright-sign/

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=13xqeZ23037Nbq451v-7z-F3YN6utZc63

PM sent.  I will advise what to write to register the appeal if you wish me to represent.  And I will require their attendance.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=145245&view=getlastpost

and associated link.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2023, 11:56:53 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
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•   Go online and register the appeal. London Tribunals website.
•   Ground:  no breach.
•   I rely upon my informal and formal representations and full submissions will follow upon receipt of the council’s evidence pack.
•   Do not mention you are being represented at this time as you can always send an e mail later before the hearing.
•   Choose personal hearing any time after 11 a.m.


I have tailored this advice for good reason!  ;)
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
« Reply #28 on: »
Thank you, will do
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Re: PCN 34j - Havering Council
« Reply #29 on: »
Great.  Let the sport commence.  8) Can they actually read?  We can add a total failure to consider, too.  Really looking forward to this one.  ;D
« Last Edit: November 30, 2023, 08:02:32 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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