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Hi Folks. I am looking for some advice regarding a 31J Yellow box alleged contravention.

I already appealed and I was unsuccessful, I received the Notice of rejection on 19th December 2025.

Based on research I have done, I argued –
1) That the contravention didn’t occur as there was a bus that blocked the view of my car so it was impossible to see whether the exit was clear upon entry.
2) Also, the camera shows that three cars let out the junction so I wasn’t actually blocking anything.
3) Procedural defects:
•   The PCN lists as a ground:
“The traffic order (except where it is an order made under Schedule 9 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984) which is alleged to have been contravened is invalid.”
This is incorrect, as yellow box (31J) contraventions are enforced under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) and do not rely on any traffic order. Including this ground is misleading and constitutes procedural impropriety, as it could confuse motorists about the legislation under which they are being charged.
•   The “making representations” section repeats this traffic order ground alongside other irrelevant parking-related wording, which fails to clearly inform motorists of the actual statutory grounds applicable.
•   I also note that the council’s website / PCN policy document lists statutory grounds for representations, including:
o   Vehicle permitted to remain at rest by someone in control without owner’s consent (parking-type wording)
o   Traffic order invalid
o   Procedural impropriety
o   Other irrelevant or duplicative grounds
These online grounds are inaccurate and misleading for moving-traffic 31J offences. The council’s website lists statutory grounds for representations that include parking-related or other irrelevant grounds which do not apply to moving traffic contraventions such as a 31J yellow box offence. This creates confusion for motorists and fails to clearly convey the actual statutory grounds under which a representation can be made, constituting procedural impropriety. Including irrelevant grounds on the PCN, in the representation form, and on the council website creates confusion and uncertainty, further demonstrating procedural impropriety.
•   Additionally, the PCN fails to explicitly include procedural impropriety as a statutory ground in the PCN wording itself, as required under Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003. This omission compounds the procedural defects.

Unfortunately they rejected my appeal. Do I have a case? Please see the link below showing my PCN Letter and Notice of rejection. Please see the following video link

https://parking.havering.gov.uk/pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=NOTICEREVIEW

PCN Number: HG62554052
Reg: LX16 DDF

PCN Notices

Any help or guidance on my next appeal would be greatly appreciated.

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The contravention is not in dispute so only the paperwork could save you - our member Hippo is up to speed on this

As Havering do not offer the discount on rejection you may as well appeal it whatever.

« Last Edit: January 04, 2026, 04:34:27 pm by stamfordman »

Prod me. I will do a draft later having won a case recently v them.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Looking at the contravention again it does seem rather unfair - the crucial factor is could you have reasonably stopped at the edge of the box, and I think you could given the lights were changing on your approach.

But it is very bad practice to put a crossing just beyond the box, and if the light had stayed green longer and then changed a bit later you have expectation the car ahead was proceeding through a green light.

Redbridge has recently scrapped two boxes where there was similar juxtaposition I think that caused confusion.

I'll have a look at the register.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2026, 06:29:23 pm by stamfordman »
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Thank you both for your help. Really appreciate it.

I'll PM you my details as it is very clearly Tribunal time.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Thank you.

Won.  Goodbye to the Key Case below as this adjudicator rationally listened and decided.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-traffic/key-cases/anisha-moosafeer-v-london-borough-havering

Good job I wasn't mentioned. Who cares at my age. What a fandango this system is.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2026, 12:16:23 am by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Won.  Goodbye to the Key Case below as this adjudicator rationally listened and decided.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/environment-traffic/key-cases/anisha-moosafeer-v-london-borough-havering

Good job I wasn't mentioned. Who cares at my age. What a fandango this system is.
Case Number ?
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2260039107
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

This website is potentially a Judicial Review issue. I will post the S.A. later to assist others. Anyways, good old Welsh fortitude won the day. I used to play hooker - don't take that the wrong way.  ;)
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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