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I parked on resident's bay 30th December.

Noticed PCN today, GR11346567, Reg: LV60 RHJ, as bay suspended on 10th January.






I didn't notice any suspension signs up when I parked.  Possible, I suppose, I missed it.



Informal Challenge:

I parked legally in this residents bay as I have a resident's permit, on 30 December 2024.

I note that I have a PCN as bay was suspended on 10th January.

I don't recall seeing a suspension sign when I parked.

Please check your records to see when suspension notices were erected. If after 30th December please cancel this PCN. As clearly I would have no idea a suspension was planned.

This account can be verified by reference to the suspension log, which should record vehicles parked at time of erecting suspension signs.

If you decide not to cancel this PCN

A) please reply with the date the suspension notices were  erected.
B) confirm whether a suspension log was kept, and whether my vehicle was marked as parked at the time.


I do have a google timeline to confirm I parked on that date. I drove to Charlton and back.

I didn't include it on my informal challenge, as Google notated return drive as a bus journey! So I didn't want to give them any excuse to auto-reject.


Anything else I need to do?

Get TMO? Suspension Log?

Or should I wait for the response?

 
Regards.

 Car was parked down the road.

I don't use car much in London, generally I use public transport, unless I'm going long distance. So wouldn't check.
Is 11 days really considered a long time?

Anyone any idea of how much notice they are supposed to give?
 

Just looked up Greenwich council's request form for suspension, in which they ask applicant for 10 days notice.

https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/parking-transport-and-streets/apply-park-your-property-or-restricted-place/apply-suspend-parking

I also note that other councils require notice to give neighbours 7 days notice. So I can't rely on insufficient notice.

Perhaps my challenge should have been more apologetic asking for mitigation...

Any chance of a technical challenge?

Assuming rejection. Any further avenues for a defence HCA? or should I just take the 50% discount and my lesson?

Yep. Definitely registered as keeper with correct address.

How do you know you were in contravention at 9.20, the sign doesn't say anything about extent of restriction. Was it 0001- H hour or 0900 to 0915 and was it only on 10th or what?

IMO, the sign is defective as it doesn't give hours or days.

I would have thought that if no time explicit time is given on a dated suspension sign, then the assumption should be whole 24 hours.

However I  had a little delve into the internet to find out if the sign is compliant. The following may give me a get out.


The Traffic Signs, Regulations and General Directions 2016 do not define the yellow suspension sign used by most enforcement authorities to control parking.

Hence it is necessary for enforcement authorities to seek DfT authorisation for such signs, under Sections 64 and 65 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

Someone did a FOI request to DOT to establish this in 2020.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/authority_for_parking_suspension

 

We encourage authorities to apply for an authorisation for their parking
suspension signs which permits their use at any appropriate location on their
roads. The authorisation specifies the information that can be shown on the
sign, and its size, colour and character. All authorisations for this traffic sign
which have been issued since 1 January 2011 may be viewed on the
Department’s authorisation database at:

The reply included a list of  enforcement authorities who have DfT authorisation.
There is no sign of Greenwich, or indeed any authorities, seeking authorisation for suspension signs. 


www.dft.gov.uk/traffic-auths/


There is a case in London Tribunals which won on similar basis.


Case from 2010

All published here: https://redbridge.traffweb.app/traffweb/1/TrafficOrders

You can search by street name / number, click on the restriction you want to look at and then click "view documents" and "order document". I also keep a backup copy of The Greenwich (Charged-For Parking Places) Order 2018 but for the map tiles, you'll have to get them from traffweb.

Yes Andy, but as this is a general query that might be useful to others I posted here.

{  note to viewers, I originally posted this question in Flame Pit ]