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PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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I am really pleased to find this forum after the Pepipoo was taken down.

I had multiple parking sessions:

15:32- 15:47
15:58- 16:13

PCN was issued 15:58 observation period from 15:47-15:48.

When my first parking session expired I tried to find another parking spot down the street as I was running errands and attempted to find a more convenient parking spot / location. But unfortunately there were none so I returned back to the same parking location. This is when I arranged for the second parking session while I walked to the needed store.






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« Last Edit: January 30, 2025, 07:55:30 pm by Jack_Pirate »

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Re: PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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For meaningful advice, please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post here both sides of the unredacted PCN  and a GSV link to the location.

Re: PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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thanks for the response for some reason images do not reflect in my post. I uploaded them through imgru and used insert an image through the forum feature.

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« Last Edit: January 30, 2025, 08:01:49 pm by Jack_Pirate »

Re: PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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OK, so your parking session ended at 15.47. The PCN is timed at 15.58, 11 minutes after your session expired. This means the PCN would have ordinarily been served correctly, because 10 minutes grace is allowed after expiry before a PCN can be served. However at 15.58 you had started a new session, which I suspect had yet to be downloaded to the CEO's hand-held terminal.

However, your case turns on the interval between the first session ending and the next one starting. You state: -
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I tried to find another parking spot down the street as I was running errands and attempted to find a more convenient parking spot / location. But unfortunately there were none so I returned back to the same parking location.This is when I arranged for the second parking session while I walked to the needed store.
I take it this means you walked up and down to find another space available without moving the car. So having not found another space, you walked away to the shop, paying for another session while you walked instead of doing this by the car. So it seems to me that the CEO was printing out the PCN at the same time as you made your second payment. Except, of course, there is an interval of 11 minutes of non-payment. If you had extended the session before the first one had expired you would surely have been OK. There is nothing on the sign to say "no return in <n> hour", so the implication is one can extend a session.  You however did not.

I would wait and see what the others say, but I don't think this is an easy win.

Re: PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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I really appreciate your response.

I would like to clarify that once the first parking session expired I drove off in the hope to find a better spot to the desired location. As There was none available I returned to the exact same location, parked and walked away while trying start the second parking session. It has taken longer than usual due to the bad reception in the area.

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I think you're overcomplicating matters.

As this is at the informal stage then I can't see any reason to say more than 'I refer to the PCN which gives a time of contravention of 15.58 and my receipt for parking which commenced at 15.58. I wasn't at the car when it was being observed by the CEO, having presumably checked their records for payment at 15.57,and they were not to know that I had just left the car and was making my electronic payment on the hoof but as my parking rights commenced at 15.58 it's clear that at that time I had paid to park and therefore the alleged contravention did not occur.'

Wait for comments.

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+1

You parked and paid for a new parking session. You had a valid paid session at the same time as their alleged contravention which was based on the CEO assuming you hadn't reparked. And the app allowed you to start a new session at that location. . 

Re: PCN 05U parked after expiry Richmond
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Thanks to everyone for all of their input. I will draft an informal appeal over the weekend.

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Just a heads up. The PCN got cancelled. Thanks to all for their time and contribution.