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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Wait for others to have a look but my approach is to home in on their rejection and say why it doesn't work.

Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Wait for others to have a look but my approach is to home in on their rejection and say why it doesn't work.

thanks, this is my final draft, i think ive covered all the points you mentioned

To whom it may concern

I am again challenging the PCN on the grounds the contravention did not occur. There is no signage restricting the double yellow lines for blue badge parking.

You refer to yellow kerb markings in pictures taken by your CEO but as you can see its extremely faint and barely visible, furthermore there are no clearly marked sequence of kerb blips along that stretch of Poplars Road to alert drivers to a loading restriction.

There is also no  'no loading' sign on Poplars Road, which is a dead end, separated by bollards from Lea Bridge Road. The sign provided by your CEO is on Lea Bridge Road and can ONLY be seen if you're on Lea Bridge road.

I thus consider this PCN totally invalid and that it should be cancelled with immediate effect.

Regards

Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Hi guys

I got a letter from the council today,  they've rejected my appeal again. I've attached image of the correspondence.  Can anyone advice what I should include in my appeal to the adjudicator

https://ibb.co/5rQ1k8J
https://ibb.co/Gdz51Y8
https://ibb.co/1Z3JR3Q
https://ibb.co/cvVdhXH

Thanks



« Last Edit: October 12, 2024, 02:16:12 pm by mkdon »

Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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They've left irrelevant stuff in from a loading bay contravention, which to say the least shows lack of care in adapting boilerplate.

And it is boilerplate - they've not addressed your representation.

The discount is on offer but I would take this to the tribunal.




Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Yh I noticed too they didn't address any of the issues I raised, it's basically the same response as their initial rejection.

As for the tribunal,  should my key argument be lack or blips on road or that it's faint and why single blip needs a sign?



They've left irrelevant stuff in from a loading bay contravention, which to say the least shows lack of care in adapting boilerplate.

And it is boilerplate - they've not addressed your representation.

The discount is on offer but I would take this to the tribunal.



Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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I doubt they will contest this. Register the appeal and request a personal or telephone hearing.

I would send:

1. I would like draw attention to the authority's rejection of my representations. It is clear they have not addressed them but just send template text that is also careless in including material from a different alleged contravention (loading bay).

2. To recap, my representations are as below and I believe they are solid grounds that as the father of a blue badge holder (my son) I was entitled to rely on the exemption for waiting on yellow lines owing to the lack of any evidence of a loading restriction at our parking place.

reps

   
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I think the kerb marks are worn beyond the point of substantial compliance. I can be your free representative at the NtO and tribunal stages. (oops, using my phone earlier and missed that there was already an NoR, I can be your representative. email mrmustard@zoho.com)
« Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 10:59:54 am by mrmustard »
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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There was also a no loading sign in Poplars Road, which seems to have disappeared. The council's pics show no sequence of blips. Their rejection is insulting.

If they contest this I would hope costs are considered. 
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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There was also a no loading sign in Poplars Road, which seems to have disappeared. The council's pics show no sequence of blips. Their rejection is insulting.

If they contest this I would hope costs are considered.

thanks, i will do,

Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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By a fluke here's another case in that bit of Poplars but the contravention is an 01 not an 02 which blows up yours even more if we need it.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/waltham-forest-01-parked-in-restricted-street-poplars-road-e17/

Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Perhaps...

This is a response of the worst kind, I'd carry on.

Procedural impropriety;
Contravention did not occur.


The contravention grounds in the PCN are given as:

Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.   


However, in response the NOR states that:
1. According to the CEO's notes this vehicle was issued with a PCN for being parked in a loading bay without loading/unloading.

It also states that:
2. According to the [same CEO's] notes the vehicle was issued with a PCN because the vehicle was parked where a loading ban was in force.

As these comments are mutually exclusive, it is impossible for the recipient to know which, if either, applies. Having said this:

If 1 applies, then this does not relate to the actual grounds in the PCN and therefore is a clear procedural impropriety.

But if 2 applies this similarly does not refer to the grounds of contravention which requires that both waiting and loading restrictions are in place and not simply a location where solely a 'loading ban was in force'.

Having given these incoherent references to the grounds of contravention and contents of the CEO's notes, the NOR then fails to show that the authority has given my detailed representations consideration, instead these are dismissed as follows:

Whilst I appreciate your circumstances, they do not warrant cancellation of the PCN.

In addition to these procedural improprieties, I would also refer the adjudicator to my original representations regarding the CEO's photographic evidence which confirms the absence of compliant lines, including kerb markings, which is reinforced by the CEO's photo of an 'At any time' loading sign whose use is redundant because were the markings clear then no such sign is required for 'double blips' and if the CEO believed that only single blips were in situ then this sign is unauthorised and unenforceable by virtue of not specifying the restricted hours. It is also in a different road.







Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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Update: Appeal started to the tribunal on 15 October which dissed the Notice of Rejection for referring to a 'loading bay' and that the vehicle was first seen at 20:08 but PCn says 20:15 and what the Rejection doesn't say which was anything within the representations.
Second ground was that the TMO (which I hadn't seen) didn't prohibit blue badge parking.

Do not contest form filed on 25 october; PCN cancelled.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.
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Re: PCN 02 - Waltham Forest - No signs and wrong road
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This is one of the more hopeless cases for them and they've seen sense.
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Update: Appeal started to the tribunal on 15 October which dissed the Notice of Rejection for referring to a 'loading bay' and that the vehicle was first seen at 20:08 but PCn says 20:15 and what the Rejection doesn't say which was anything within the representations.
Second ground was that the TMO (which I hadn't seen) didn't prohibit blue badge parking.

Do not contest form filed on 25 october; PCN cancelled.

thanks for your help, apologies for slow responses ive just returned back from wales