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NTO PARKING - ref LV12808153 - LIVERPOOL COUNCIL, LOVATION EDITH ROAD L4
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Hello,

I have received a notice to owner for a parking contravention parking charge notice as listed in subject title.

The date on the notice to owner is the 17th APRIL 2024, I HAVE CHALLENGED FORMALLY BY THE LIVERPOOL CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE TRANSPORT SECTION TODAY.

I was not the driver of the vehicle at this time, however I am the registered keeper.

I have contacted the council by both email and telephone and given them the details of the person that was in charge of the vehicle at the time that the penalty charge was issued.

I am being told that regardless of the information that I have presented to them, that is the registered keeper and responsible for the debt for the parking charge on the notice to owner. Right?

Can this be challenged in anyway?

I have read on all websites regarding schedule 4 protection of freedoms act 2012, and transfer of liability, maybe applicable to this?

Thank you in advance.

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I am being told that regardless of the information that I have presented to them, that is the registered keeper and responsible for the debt for the parking charge on the notice to owner. Right?
Your information is correct: the registered keeper is liable.

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I have contacted the council by both email and telephone

Have you had a response to the e-mail? What was the response on the telephone?

You have 28 days beginning with the date of service to pay or make reps against the NtO. By my calculation (please post up the remaining sides of the PCN) the 28th day was yesterday (16th).
Please check the online status of the PCN, report here the status history, and, if the site lets you,  make reps against the PCN today.

If (IF) they treated your e-mail as reps they should issue a Notice of Rejection and may re-offer the discount.

Others here with more knowledge than myself will advise further, but you must take some action today. The next stage of the enforcement process sees the penalty increase by 50%.

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The date on the notice to owner is the 17th APRIL 2024, I HAVE CHALLENGED FORMALLY BY THE LIVERPOOL CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE TRANSPORT SECTION TODAY.

I'm very sorry I missed this earlier - my apologies.

Did you get an acknowledgement of your formal challenge?
Please post here a copy of what you submitted and also a GSV link to the location.

You may also wish to enquire of the driver what happened to the original PCN.
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Hello,

Yes it allowed me to make representation today.

Here is what was sent on the screen shot below.

All I have had back so far, is a confirmation of receipt email.

What is a GSV link to location sorry?

Many thanks

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Here is the reply also.

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What is a GSV link to location sorry?
Google Street View.
A GSV link looks like this: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/AYney8EUz5uadywp6

Once you have the correct view on the screen, press the 3 vertical dots that are top-right in the black box top left. This then gives you three options. Select "share or embed image". Click on that and then "copy link".  The link is then put into your clipboard from which you can past it into your post.
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Please look at the Council website to see the status/history of your PCN and report back.
Please also repost all sides of the NtO with only the name and address redacted - see
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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@Smyler171 well the council photos do not prove any contravention:











The location is here https://maps.app.goo.gl/CHUoi9xyNYgp2BSx8 but even going back as far as 2008 https://maps.app.goo.gl/QDeLqVNokABrwdVe7 the second yellow line clearly appears to have been deliberately blanked-out.

This road appears to be in a Football Match Residents Parking Zone, it doesn't appear Liverpool publishes a map thereof but the burden of proof would be on the council to show that all entrances were properly signposted.

In the meantime I'll get hold of the traffic order.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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@Smyler171 well I assume you gave up and paid as we never heard back from you, but it's interesting that it's taken the council this long to provide the relevant traffic regulations orders, which apparently are The City Council of Liverpool Football Match Parking Places and Controlled Parking Zone Order, 2009 and amending orders.

Chances are that if you had appealed to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, they wouldn't have been able to come up with the TRO in time for the hearing, and you would have won by default.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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