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Hi FTLA experts,

Is there any way I can content this PCN issued for turning into a street when motor vehicles weren't allowed?


This is the PCN:  https://ibb.co/DDDvZrFd


The driver of the vehicle had no idea of the restrictions as the tight angle they entered Croftdown Road (NW5) from St Albans Road made the sign tricky to spot. They had never driven down the street before and there was no signage before to warn of it.


You can see this in Camden's own photo: https://ibb.co/wrwq2KYz


This is the google map showing the junction where my vehicle entered the road (9 mins b4 the restrictions ended):  https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hq8qj2g12vDDdPb97

Many thanks in advance for your advice.




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They had never driven down the street before and there was no signage before to warn of it.
Except there is an advance warning sign: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2pQcA8VboT95LX966
(Latest GSV view of Sept 2024)
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How on earth could a driver see that advance warning sign especially at this time of the year with trees in full bloom and hanging in front of the sign! It's probably worth taking a recent photo of that.
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Thanks all - I will go and recheck the advance warning signage visibility today and take some photos.

Is this the only argument I have against paying?

Best, EHR

*just noticed typo in my original post -  should be contest rather than content.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2025, 09:39:07 am by EHRob »
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They've changed the road layout - there used to be a traffic island at the junction and our Mr Mustard won an appeal then

But there is still a left turn into signs not facing you and we see these allowed in some cases.

The advance sign is a proper traffic sign.
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Sadly my appeal was rejected. I had submitted a screenshot of the pre-warning sign with foliage across, as per roythebus's suggestion, but it did not completely obscure.

I'm guessing I have to pay, but just in case you can spot a flaw in their argument, here's their rejection letter:

P1 https://ibb.co/hxtgFGZn
P2 https://ibb.co/tpM0My44
P3 https://ibb.co/wZVLRtcc

Thanks in advance,
EHR
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