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The driver of the vehicle stopped on a Red route.
The Red lines were not noticed at the time of the alleged offence, the Red route is approximately one car length, situated between unrestricted parking space, making it difficult to see during the hours of darkness.
In daylight hours the Red route is clear to see.

The PNC letter has been misplaced, the registered keeper has been provided with the PNC ref by TFL so details can be reviewed online.
The PNC was dispatched by TFL on the 3rd Feb.
A replacement PNC letter has been requested

Pictures online show the vehicle parked but the Red route can't be seen.
No challenge submitted yet.
No request to view CCTV requested     

Street view
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jBLYFWto7D8m1pdw6

Picture from PNC
https://imgpile.com/p/6uSmPaR

Thanks in advance for your advice

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Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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The problem you have with this argument is that there are clearly marked out parking bays with signs, the tops of which have the words "Red Route" on them. Opposite where he parked are also double-red lines, so it's not as if there is no hint of the street being a Red Route.

Were you the driver ? Or are you the owner of the vehicle. Under the legislation, the owner has legal responsibility for payment or appealing a PCN.

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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I'm the driver / owner....
I agree with you about the signage....
Wasn't the best decision to park there...
Exploring any way of not giving 80 quid to the mafia
« Last Edit: February 12, 2026, 01:11:50 pm by tuffpro »

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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I'm the driver / owner....
I agree with you about the signage....
Wasn't the best decision to park there...
Exploring any way of not giving 80 quid to the mafia
Well, sorry to say it, but at the moment I see no robust appeal argument. Of course that doesn't stop you submitting representations based on what you have told us, so do so, and post up their response when you get it; they may shoot themselves in the foot, who knows ! They will re-offer the discount when they reject them.

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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I originally accepted that I didn’t really have strong grounds to appeal this PCN. I submitted an appeal anyway to see whether there was any possibility of success. Since then, I’ve revisited the location where the alleged contravention occurred and noticed that the red route lines are extremely faded. At the time of parking, I genuinely did not see any clear red lines, which is why I believed it was permitted to stop there.

My questions are:

As I have already submitted an appeal, am I still allowed to provide additional photographic evidence showing the faded road markings?

Based on similar cases, do faded or poorly maintained red route lines give me any realistic chance of a successful appeal?

Any advice from people with experience of red route PCNs or tribunal outcomes would be appreciated.

See picture attached of the actual location compared to the image from street view
https://imgpile.com/p/A8Ocdal

Also at the time of the alleged offence there was another vehicle parked on the section of red line that was more prominent...
So I could only see the faded part of the red line. not the slightly more prominent parts of the red lines
 
https://imgpile.com/p/6uSmPaR
« Last Edit: February 20, 2026, 08:53:42 am by tuffpro »

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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Not in your favour is the presence of two clearly marked bays with signs regulating them, thus indicating to an aexperienced motorist that there could be a restriction on the gap between the bays.

Frankly, I don't think you have a strong case to take to London Tribunals, the only place where you'll get an unbiased judgment.

YOu say you've already appealed, but I assume this was an informal challenge to the PCN found on your car. Post their response when you get it. Next stage is the Notice to Owner. Are you the owner and is your V5C Registration Certificate up-to-date for address, as that is where the NtO is sent ?

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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This incident was captured on CCTV and the PCN sent to my home address..
So any further correspondence will be sent to me..
I'm the owner and driver...

I sent a online appeal in accordance with the instructions on the PNC..
Can I send TFL this additional evidence "Faded red lines"....As an amendment to the appeal I've already submitted..?
I take onboard what you say about not this being in my favour. but surely its worth trying..
« Last Edit: February 20, 2026, 01:45:18 pm by tuffpro »

Re: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) West Wickham
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It is worht trying, but I try to make sure people realise how venal and rapaciouis councils are nowadays so the disappointment of a rejection is not felt too hard.

Yes, I would go for the faded red lines. As they need no sign, it is doubly important they are in good condition.