Author Topic: Newham, code 52m - prohibition on motor vehicles, Ham Park Road / Devenay Road / Margery Road E15  (Read 153 times)

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Hi all

Kudos to all involved in providing this forum - it looks like a great help to people! I wish we had found it sooner, but hope you might still be able to help us in some way.

We are not from London (or the UK), so didn't do any digging / research before submitting our "formal representations". In considering whether to appeal our formal representations having been rejected, we came across this forum and thought we would reach out. We initially want to know whether we have indeed shot ourselves in the foot by challenging the PCNs we received, or if there is still scope to contest.

We have 5 PCNs for alleged contraventions in entering Ham Park Road via Devenay Road / Margery Road on 16 Dec 2025, 2 Jan 2026, 3 Jan 2026, 5 Jan 2026 and 12 Jan 2026. These total a hefty sum, so naturally wanted to explore our ability to contest them.

The link to a GDrive folder with the first PCN front page, text from our representations and rejection of the first PCN is here.

The text from our representations provides the context, but the summary of our predicament is:
- immediately after purchasing a car, we purchased a residents permit and thought we were then able to enter both ends of Ham Park Road and park as permit holders.
- after the first time driving through the access point (16 Dec 2025), we had "driver's remorse" so I called Newham Council to confirm. The representative said we needed a second "Access" permit to drive down Ham Park Road, and then we would be ok to enter Ham Park from both ends. So we made the purchase on 17 Dec 2025.
- On 7 Jan 2026, we received our first PCN and challenged it. Once we received the second one, we stopped entering Ham Park Road from either end.

I've only uploaded the correspondence for the first PCN, but can upload the others if there might be scope to contest.

The Google Street View location links for the signage at each end of Ham Park Road are:
- Devenay Road - here - apologies, it is quite hard to see the signage through the zoom. It appears the Google cars don't drive that far down Ham Park Road any longer.
- Margery Road - here.

If you have any questions or if further details/info would be helpful, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for your consideration and any assistance you can provide!

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Hi all

Just wanted to check in to see if anyone was able to provide some assistance / guidance on this one.

We wouldn't have used those entrances/exits to Ham Park Road if we had known there was a specific permit (and not one of the two we already had), and certainly wouldn't have kept using them had the Newham Council representative told us we were fine after getting the second permit!

Please let me know if any additional information is required - as noted, I can upload all of pages of each PCN and rejection if required (it will be a fair few pages though, so thought the first page of one would be a starting point for initial guidance around potentially challenging at the tribunal).

Thank you!

Please post one of the PCNs, plus your reps and their refusal. Much depends on whether you are prepared to stand your ground, and take them to London Tribunals, because if you take them there, the full PCN penalties will be in play. Th only other option is to cough-up, because you are only allowed a single representation to the council, for a postal PCN, and you have submitted one and it has been refised.

Looking at the GSV views, I see that the sign below the Flying Motorbike signs permits permit holders WHP01. So when you bought the "residents permit" shortly after moving in, it clearly was not a code WHP01. HOwever you then checked more: -
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- after the first time driving through the access point (16 Dec 2025), we had "driver's remorse" so I called Newham Council to confirm. The representative said we needed a second "Access" permit to drive down Ham Park Road, and then we would be ok to enter Ham Park from both ends. So we made the purchase on 17 Dec 2025.
- On 7 Jan 2026, we received our first PCN and challenged it. Once we received the second one, we stopped entering Ham Park Road from either end.
So you bought the second permit on 17th December. Can you please list all the PCNs with contravention date and PCN date, please. As, (according to the council), you had the correct permit on 17th December, you should not have received any PCN with a contravention date that is after 17th December.

Hi Incandescent

Thanks for coming back to me - appreciate it!

I'd linked a Google Drive folder with the first PCN, and the reps and refusal - sorry, I used an embedded link which might have hidden it.  Link is: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-yDrgPbCj0HavoK0uGtVa4uWAVGjyxF1?usp=drive_link

Is the first page of the first PCN ok, or do you need all pages?

Re the signage, is there anything in the WHP01 permit requirement not being clear to the driver of a vehicle? Might be a stretch, but when one is driving, they don't have time to research the permit requirements - or would the Council just say the driver would be expected to pull over and safely find out the requirements before passing through?

The list of PCNs with contravention date and PCN date are as follows:
- PCN Date: 7 January 2026, contravention 16 December 2025.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 2 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 3 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 12 January 2026, contravention 5 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 20 January 2026, contravention 12 January 2026.
I didn't think to note down the date that I received each PCN in the post, but I would have challenged the subsequent PCNs on the day they were received (due to the surprise / frustration). The confirmation of submission emails I received were dated 10 January, 13 January, 13 January, 16 January and 21 January.

On the call where the Council said we had the right permit (arvo of 16 Dec or morning of 17 Dec), the representative also said that there were no fines showing at that time of the call - but the 16 December contravention was at 8.25am, so should have been picked up by the camera. Is there anything in that, or would the Council just say there is a delay between the camera recording a contravention and it being logged as a contravention in their system?

Any guidance on approach is much appreciated.  One thought I had on 'strategy' is to pay the first one at the discounted amount given (I assume) I'd have low (or lower) prospects of success on challenging that one, but then appeal the subsequent four.

There seems to be something seriously wrong here. You say you bought the correct permit following advice from the council on 17th December. So from that date you should have been permitted to pass the restriction signs, yet you have received four PCNs for contravention dates well past the 17th December: -

- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 2 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 9 January 2026, contravention 3 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 12 January 2026, contravention 5 January 2026.
- PCN Date: 20 January 2026, contravention 12 January 2026.

Reading their letter of rejection to the first PCN, they mention that the special permit to pass the signs is only available to Blue Badge Holders. You haven't mentioned this before, so please tell us more.

The last PCN was for a contravention on 12th January. Are you still passing the signs, or have you now stopped. Reason to ask is that you say you bought the correct permit on 17th December, so no PCNs should have been served after that date. I assume these PCNs are all for passing the same restriction sign as for the first one.

I think you need to submit representations asking why four PCNs have been served in January for the same contravention as PCN1 served in mid-December, but after advice from the council you bought the correct permit permitting you to pass the signs on 17th December

That's right, all the same contravention - entering/exiting Ham Park Road (two relate to passing the signs at Margery Road, and the other three relates to passing the signs at Devenay Road).

The main issue, I believe, is that the information the Council provided us over the phone was incorrect and we relied on this to continue passing the signs on Ham Park Road.

We purchased what we were told by the Council representative was the correct permit (an Access Permit, alongside the Resident Permit we already held). However, given the further PCNs, it appears that the advice from the Council representative was incorrect and we actually needed a third permit (which we're not entitled to given we are not Blue Badge Holders).

It appears this is what the WHP01 relates to - but the signage doesn't make this clear, as we held one permit at the time of the first contravention (but not the right one, as the Council representative informed us) and then two permits at the time of the following four contraventions (neither of which are the right ones, as we now know) .

There is information on the Newham Council website: https://www.newham.gov.uk/parking-permits/apply-access-permit/4, but we weren't aware of this until receiving the rejection letter.  The Access Permit we were told to purchase was the " Healthy School Streets Access permit" (which we do need to access Ham Park Road during certain hours due a primary school on this road). The separate Blue Badge permit (WHP01) was not mentioned during our call with the Council, so just purchased the permit we were told we needed. I don't recall seeing anything during the permit purchase process, and the permit confirmation, doesn't mention anything around the separate permit for the West Ham Park's "People Friendly Streets".

I can confirm we are not still passing the signs. We thought the first PCN was sent it error, but after we received the second and third PCNs (which I assume was on 13 Jan, or later in the day on 12 Jan), we didn't want to risk receiving further PCNs.
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OK, so you now need to submit representations based on what you have told us here, namely that you were misinformed by council staff on what permit to purchase. You were not made aware of the BB-only permit that is the only one permitted to pass the signs. Emphasise that you are newly arrived residents, so not at all familiar with the local permit arrangements, therefore relied totally on what the council told you.

Thanks Incandescent.  Given my formal representations (text linked in the GDrive folder) have been rejected, I assume the only way to make those representations is by going to the tribunal - or is there another way?

Do you have any guidance on our prospects at the tribunal?  We appreciate that this route presents 'double or nothing' stakes, but hope that the Council provided incorrect guidance would be sufficient for the Tribunal member to recommend the Council waive the PCNs.

With respect to the first PCN, are we better to pay this now and challenge the other four at the tribunal on that basis? Or would you suggest we challenge all 5 (i.e., are there arguments we can make to have the first one waived too)?


These things are always difficult, as serious money is involved if you go to LT about 4 PCNs. Can you please post their respons to the other four PCNs, and your reps, as they may have shot themselves in the foot. These four PCNs are a totally disproportionate penalty bearing in mind you took steps to obtain the correct permit and were told incorrectly what to buy.

I think you might also get a result by contacting your local councillor as this is a maladministration issue.