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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2024, 01:05:32 pm »
@cp8759

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https://imgur.com/a/ZFWUtow

Fascinating attempt at wriggling out of some of the points made. Please wait for the Enforcement Notice. They will take this all the way.

Pending any issues with that document when it arrives, I suggest submitting the same without commenting upon their reply.

I will draw lots with cp on this one! I keep a pack of longer straws.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold".
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2024, 12:35:54 am »
I’m following your situation closely, as I ended up in the same position—caught by the same camera in the bus lane. Interestingly, for a change, I did receive a letter specifically addressing the camera authorisation point. Would you like me to post it here?
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2024, 12:06:49 pm »
Please and also can you start your own thread.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2024, 01:43:36 am »
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2024, 09:13:32 pm »
After taking their sweet time, TFL has finally sent me the Enforcement Notice - https://imgur.com/a/MFmftug

Do you suggest I submit the representation using the same information as the initial challenge?

Also, TFL have sent me a CD, which I presume is video evidence. I have no device to read a CV! I will ask around for some help on that.
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2024, 10:46:18 am »
Dear TFL

I make these formal representations:

1. I require you to consider my original challenge as a formal representation.

2. The Enforcement Notice, as does the PCN, mistakenly states Ground 4(2)(c) provided at Schedule I. It clearly limits to theft.

3. The Enforcement Notice describes itself as a PCN with regard to the Interpretation Act.

In light of the above, please cancel both notices.

Yours
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2024, 12:26:22 pm »
Thanks. There didn’t seem to be a way to submit representation online. Once you have entered the PCN details the TFL website only offers a button to pay the PCN rather than submit representation or challenge. Am I not looking in the right place?
I may have to do a written one of this fails

TFL website after entering PCN details - https://imgur.com/a/XYJoi2w
Only option given is to add to basket and pay - https://imgur.com/a/4VkQdND
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2024, 08:29:30 pm »
So post it and get a receipt and do it asap.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2024, 10:37:34 pm »
Here is the list of cases that have gone to the London Tribunal for the location A406 N CIRCULAR W-BND CHEQUERS WAY GREEN LANES

Case Reference

2240472549 - Appeal allowed

2240475456 - Appeal allowed

2240395459 - Appeal refused

2240423871 - Appeal allowed

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:60::INITIALISE::::&cs=387gq53mdbDTC8NU_tP1GBGpXFwa8WQceoWyU7OyFk1T4yKQJR49zLA1R41kOcLQ9M9HVvPybPvRUz0ZtFk0_4w
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2024, 09:04:29 am »
Three not contested. The refused one was probably a DYI.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2024, 11:48:32 am »
Notice of Rejection has finally arrived in my email. Annoyingly it is a week old, as it went into my junk folder.So I have about 3 weeks. My next step would be to appeal to the transport tribunal.

From earlier posts, it seems there are previous successes during the appeal stage. Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

Notice of Rejection - https://imgur.com/a/xjMonxy
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2024, 11:59:23 am »
We have had one not contested very recently. I am happy to represent you and advise further. I will PM you my details.

Failure to consider the wording issues.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2024, 12:17:17 pm »
Thanks Hippocrates. Just replied
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Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2024, 07:37:47 pm »
Apparently, I have the day off tomorrow as one council have retreated.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε
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