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SO I exited the A13 and did a u-turn to go under the overpass towards freemasons road. There is a no u-turn sign but I've been doing it for 4 years no without an issue but it seems recently they added a camera there and unfortunately I got caught out. I was just wondering if it would be possible to appeal it or do I bite the bullet and take the L.


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Re: Newham - 50u prohibited turn (no U-turn) - New Barn St E13/Ravenscroft Rd E13
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With two very prominent "No U-Turn" signs, I can't see any possible argument against the contravention itself, but the PCN may contain fatal errors so post it. No doubt the camera was added because rather too many people were U-turning here and endangering other road users.
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Pcn was attached as file but i will add it as imgur link soon
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I've requested the traffic management order, in the meantime you should make a plea for discretion in order to preserve the discount. Post a draft on here in the first instance.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Newham - 50u prohibited turn (no U-turn) - New Barn St E13/Ravenscroft Rd E13
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How's this:

Dear London Borough of Newham

On the day of the contravention I entered newbarn st via A13 and realised I took the wrong exit as I needed the next exit (prince regent lane). The weather conditions on that day was very sunny and I had my sun visor down and have missed the "no u-turn" sign. As this is my very first PCN from yourselves, I would ask you to exercise your discretion on this occasion. I realise the importance of such signage and going forward I will be more attentive to my surroundings before performing such actions.

Yours faithfully



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As a general reminder, making a false representation is a criminal offence. While you do not have to incriminate yourself, you can't say that you took the wrong exit if this isn't the case. If you've been taking this route for 4 years without issue it seems implausible that you took the wrong exit, it also seems you knew about the no u-turn signs so you can't say that you missed them as you knew they were there.

With that in mind, I think you'll have to trim your representation by deleting the part before "As this is...".

As the only purpose of this representation is to buy time, what is left will suffice.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Newham - 50u prohibited turn (no U-turn) - New Barn St E13/Ravenscroft Rd E13
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Good point, I will trim it down as you suggested. Thanks
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Here is The Newham (Prescribed Routes) (No 2) Traffic Order 2012, let us know when you have a response from the council and we'll see if there's anything that warrants taking this further.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Newham - 50u prohibited turn (no U-turn) - New Barn St E13/Ravenscroft Rd E13
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 16, 2023, 04:37:24 pm
Here is The Newham (Prescribed Routes) (No 2) Traffic Order 2012, let us know when you have a response from the council and we'll see if there's anything that warrants taking this further.


Will do, thanks CP appreciate it 🙏🏻
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I would expect to see camera signs at this location but there doesn't appear to be any.

Mike
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Quote from: MMV Redux on October 16, 2023, 11:02:38 pm
I would expect to see camera signs at this location but there doesn't appear to be any.

Mike
Is it mandatory to have camera signs?

Anyway today the camera signs are present. Google Street View is out of date. One sign under the 30mph sign and one under each of the no u-turn signs. Albeit the one on the nearside pavement has been turned anti-clockwise 80deg and is nearly edge on to the traffic flow.

The camera is on a pole on the north pavement of Chadwin Road at it's junction with New Barn Street.
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Update:

Received a charge certificate in the post few days ago. Im guessing they rejected the appeal but I didn’t receive the NOR. I’m guess I wait for the Order of Recovery and file the TEC?
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What's the date on the Charge Cert?
When did you submit your representations (challenge)?
How did you submit, online form, posted letter, etc?

You haven't posted up the original PCN. What is the date of the PCN?
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Yes, but don't just sit and wait for it. From now on you must be proactive after the payment period on the CC expires. Ring TEC every 7-10 days to enquire if the PCN has been registered. ALthough the OfR should include the relevant TEC forms, you can download them from their website
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms

Hope it all goes well
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Update:

Thought id update since the charge certificate was last issued. So i done the TEC form and submitted it and a few days ago received a confirmation of charge certificate was cancelled. Now just waiting for newham’s next move but the charge still shows £204 on their website.
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