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Hi wizards,

I hope you are well.

I’ve got this ticket couple of weeks ago, my wife had to go to Newham hospital, on her exit from parking instead of taking right she took left turn and end up going towards Boundary Lane where this event happened.

Is there anything which can be done to avoid this ticket?

Ticket:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bMkaDJWOfC3DXEgTBhNvruExEl5qZ91k/view?usp=drivesdk

PCN evidence can be viewed here:
https://parking.newham.gov.uk/pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=NOTICEREVIEW
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Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
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I had a quick look on GSV, but it's unfortunately not as up-to-date as one would wish, but it is clear there has been a buses-only restriction there for some time.

Here is what you see when you approad on Glen Road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XNGe6v5hSZR3tFHEA
and from Boundary Lane
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6HPqU54TS98wciUy7
As far as I can see, their photos show you emerging from the bus-only gate towards Boundary Lane roundabout, which fits with your narrative on your wife turning left instead of right when leaving the hospital.  However the bottom line is she appears to have completely ignored the Buses Only signs.

The question has to be why she persisted in going the way she did, when it was not the way she got to the hospital. It would have been quite easy to do a U-turn, surely ?
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You are right and I would’ve taken U turn as well as soon as I would’ve realised I’m going the wrong way.

She drove to the hospital for the first time alone, she thought she could carry on and eventually will be able to go round and come back Prince regent lane.
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On the contravention itself, it seems to be made out OK, but that may not be the end of the matter, but I'm not an expert in the Act under which your wife's PCN was issued so wait and see what the others say before paying or submitting representations, but don't miss any deadlines in the PCN.

Can you please post all of the PCN so we can read the "small print".  Councils often get this wrong.
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The PCN looks OK to me.  There is a flaw in the actual Act of Parliament regarding time periods to submit payment and the time period for submitting representations, and some London councils have got this wrong and lost at an adjudication but your's looks OK as far as I can see.
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Does anyone else think I can avoid this ticket or I’ll have to pay?
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Quote from: Incandescent on April 10, 2024, 06:50:43 pm
The PCN looks OK to me.  There is a flaw in the actual Act of Parliament regarding time periods to submit payment and the time period for submitting representations, and some London councils have got this wrong and lost at an adjudication but your's looks OK as far as I can see.
Of all the councils, this one has virtually solved the puzzle.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2024, 02:41:15 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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I have checked the video and their challenge page which lists procedural impropriety as a ground. This does not exist in this legislation.

So, I suggest this.

Dear Newham

I make these formal representations against PCN PN74910

1. The video does not show the vehicle pass any sign facing the driver.
2. The challenge page on your website states procedural impropriety as a ground. This is wrong and confusing.
3.  Any mitigating circumstances.............

In view of the above, please cancel the PCN

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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Ok great, I’ll wait today for any other comment and make the representation later today and see how it goes. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for drafting the representation.
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I have made the formal representation today, thanks for the draft Hippocrates.

Ill share with you the outcome when I receive the decision. Thanks.
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I've requested the traffic order.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Curiouser and curiouser...





I've now requested the "other" traffic order, let's see what turns up.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Newham - 33E use of restricted route
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What are they like!?
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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@Hippocrates & @cp8759 I did formal representation on 21/04 since then I have not received any further letter from Newham Council.
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