Author Topic: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road  (Read 8726 times)

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Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #15 on: »
You are specifically asking for it at this stage. IMO, given that you were otherwise legally parked(I assume), then as the temporary signs need authority, as much as anything else because the regular traffic signs were still in place and uncovered, AND as the order was on display but not in focus they should provide if they reject, which they probably would.

Was parked here and missed the parking suspension signs (as I think they removed the old ones and put new ones at same time - they have a habit of not removing old ones for weeks). Is there anything that could help me get out of the fine because of any irregularity by the council on signage or the PCN itself? Appreciate it's totally my fault.


You are looking for technical arguments which at this stage don't often carry much weight with authorities.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #16 on: »
Fighting PCNs is a bit of a tightrope walk sometimes. Experts often walk the tightrope not knowing where they will end up, 89% of the time I get across safely, 11% of the time I fall off. To achieve your objective you have to walk the walk. We get better at walking each time we do it.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #17 on: »
Thank you. Yes appreciate the risk is there which is fine.

But I am a bit confused on what I should say in my representation now. If any help can be provided that would be gravely received.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #18 on: »
Dear Sir,
PCN *********

I refer to the above in which the following contravention is alleged:

*******(temporary traffic order)

As a permit holder*, I am familiar with parking places being suspended and the signage used e.g. parking suspended etc. However, in this case the parking place had not been suspended in this manner but instead the council had apparently passed (or whatever the term is) a 'temporary traffic order' which meant that parking was not permitted. Why this distinction, I don't know. But what I do know is that nowhere in the photographic evidence is there a copy of this order nor the restrictions it imposes despite what appears to be the order situated on the board but unreadable. To be honest, this omission does set alarm bells ringing as regards the validity of the authority's claim that a contravention occurred. I can see what's written and displayed on the sheet of paper, but this is not an 'order', it's simply something produced by a printer.

In any event, as a permit holder and as I believe that no operational inconvenience was suffered I would ask the authority to exercise discretion and cancel the PCN. If not then before I hand over my hard-earned cash, I want to be certain that this order exists and that it created the restriction which is alleged at the time and place at which I was parked and therefore should these representations be rejected I require a copy of the order cited in the contravention grounds.

Some thoughts.

*- if you're not then this needs to be changed.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2025, 08:33:08 am by H C Andersen »

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #19 on: »
Thanks I do have the permit and have sent the informal challenge now.

For completenes, these are my own photos of the page that was displayed in the board. So this is a public notice and not the order as it has wording like "this order"?




I can see it appears different (much shorter) from TTOs from Newham in other similar situations on this forum

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #20 on: »
council rejected the challenge today - please can you help me with representations?

Experienced members and @H C Andersen




Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #21 on: »
Bump - any help appreciated

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #22 on: »
Where's the TTO suspending parking? All I can see is one which refers to prohibited entry and Tarling isn't among the listed roads anyway.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #23 on: »
Where's the TTO suspending parking? All I can see is one which refers to prohibited entry and Tarling isn't among the listed roads anyway.

Tarling is listed on the second page, but I agree that the wording says the effect is to close the road, not to suspend the bays.

The main thing I take issue with is the signage. That's not a suspension sign, it's an advance warning sign. Point 4 on the sign says the restriction only applies when the appropriate traffic signs are in place, in my book that means actual suspension signs.

Secondly, the sign is so riddled with grammatical errors as to be incomprehensible. What the hell does "Monday 29th September until Monday 29th September 8am to 4pm" mean? Arguably the restriction starts as soon as Monday starts and lasts until 8am, then restarts at 4pm - in which case the PCN was issued 7 minutes after the restriction ended. The notice gives a completely different time window, ending on the 3rd October at 6pm!

Thirdly the notice says restriction ends when the work ends, and that the work is "Tree works - Green Space, Cleansing and Gristwood and Toms" another crime against grammar. I would say you're entitled to put the council to strict proof that "Tree works - Green Space, Cleansing and Gristwood and Toms" occurred after 08:07 on that day. If it didn't then they can't issue the PCN, because the notice says the restriction ends when the work ends.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #24 on: »
Thank you. Any advice on what to write in the formal representations now to council.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #25 on: »
You have been re-offered the discount. This might be repeated even if they reject formal reps.

A NTO would be served on the registered keeper, is this and are your DVLA details current?

Until a NTO is served there's nothing to do except to write back and request a copy of the order.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #26 on: »
Thanks so do you think there is a good chance of tribunal win when it comes to it?

Yes I am the registered keeper and dvla details are good

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #27 on: »
@H C Andersen and other senior members

Please let me know if you think there is a reasonable chance of success at tribunal or should I just pay the discount now

Appreciate next step is either pay discounted or wait for NTO and then send formal reps which will be rejected again surely so its just about tribunal

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #28 on: »
From what is in evidence, there is no case against you.

Plastering non-compliant signs on poles does not create a prohibition.

Write back and get a copy of the order. This action is in your hands.

As often as not, the contravention has not been signed as required under the regs even if there is a provision in an order.

Re: Newham 01a - tempoary parking suspension - Tarling Road
« Reply #29 on: »
I submitted this as informal challenge again. Most likely they will reject and say I have to wait for NTO now.

"I submitted an informal challenge which was rejected. However as part of the challenge I had requested a copy of the traffic order cited in the PCN contravention grounds. This was not supplied with the rejection and was ignored in the response. Could you please supply this traffic order whose alleged breach has led to the contravention cited in the PCN.

Regards"
« Last Edit: October 29, 2025, 01:26:25 pm by taffer87 »