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Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see the temporary traffic order?
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Hello all,

I received this PCN in my windshield for parking in a street with a temporary parking restriction.

As always with this council, they put up one sign somewhere on the road (no wings of course), and expect road users check every day whether there is a new restriction.

But, I suppose this is their right.

However, I would like to see the temporary traffic order to see if the signs were erected with enough notice. How may I do that?

PCN:

Location: 0s Hse 69
Contravention code: 01a Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours (temporary traffic order)
Date of contravention: 02/09/2025

14 days lapses on 16/09?

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Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see the temporary traffic order?
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Here are some of the pics.

When did you park there?

Is there a nearer parking sign just ahead of your car?

Using a temp traffic order doesn't seem right for a partial bay suspension.







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Re: Newham - 01a, parked in restricted street - how may I see the temporary traffic order?
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Thank you for the pictures, I apologise for forgetting to add them myself.

I parked there either the 30/08 (Sat) or 31/08 (Sun). PCN was on 02/09 (Tue).

I don't believe there was a sign ahead of my car as my car was right on the boundary of which spaces were suspended.

I have looked at some other posts and have seen that a copy of the temporary traffic order can only be obtained by email, is that right? So it's not something I will have before I make my representations
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Is the sign ahead in a different bay?

There's a pic of the order I posted - just about readable.
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Quote from: stamfordman on September 10, 2025, 04:56:44 pm
Is the sign ahead in a different bay?

There's a pic of the order I posted - just about readable.

The sign that is behind my car in the pictures is in the same "bay", the whole street is part of the same zone. I have a resident permit for that zone.

Is there a way to see when that sign was installed? Do they have to give a minimum amount of notice?
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What is the Google Maps location of where your car was.
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Quote from: stamfordman on September 11, 2025, 01:20:42 pm
What is the Google Maps location of where your car was.

Here it is:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kgy8f2SZEUzZyBVE8
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I need to submit something for representations. I will probably contest the visibility of the sign, the proximity of it to the suspended bays, and the (likely) short notice of installation before it came into effect.

Should I also question the use of a temporary traffic order? It's unlikely I get any traction with any of these points, but I suppose the purpose is to get to the appeal stage.
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Ask for the date that the signs were installed and their locations. And ask them was your car recorded as being parked within the suspension area when the signs were installed.
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So where is this sign relative to where your car was.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/fF8ZKm9hq1xiBmyy6
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Quote from: stamfordman on September 15, 2025, 10:48:09 am
So where is this sign relative to where your car was.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/fF8ZKm9hq1xiBmyy6

I've drawn up a map to help:

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The signs aren't 'suspension' signs, as in suspending a parking place, they are supposed to be 'appropriate traffic signs displayed in accordance with the [Traffic Signs etc] regulations' - see para. 2 of the TTRO.

The TTRO amends the provisions of the principal order, The Newham(Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011. This is amended 'as if for the Road purposes of the application of Article 5(1)[to the streets listed in the Schedule of the temporary order] ..the prescribed hours were at any time'.

There is no 'at any time restriction' in the road(preventing parking and waiting), so have the correct signs been erected?

IMO, there is nothing in what's written on the sign or which could be deduced therefrom which supports the imposition of a temporary as opposed to 'at any time' waiting and loading restriction on the specified day.

IMO, make sure you add contravention did not occur to your reps. And this is not based on guesswork, it's simply reading their order which is displayed on the board.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2025, 04:55:10 pm by H C Andersen »
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Quote from: H C Andersen on September 15, 2025, 12:25:19 pm
The signs aren't 'suspension' signs, as in suspending a parking place, they are supposed to be 'appropriate traffic signs displayed in accordance with the [Traffic Signs etc] regulations' - see para. 2 of the TTRO.

The TTRO amends the provisions of the principal order, The Newham(Waiting and Loading Restriction) Order 2011. This is amended 'as if for the Road purposes of the application of Article 5(1)[to the streets listed in the Schedule of the temporary order] ..the prescribed hours were at any time'.

There is no 'at any time restriction' in the road(preventing parking and waiting), so have the correct signs been erected?

IMO, there is nothing in what's written on the sign or which could be deduced therefrom which supports the imposition of a temporary as opposed to 'at any time' waiting and loading restriction in the specified day.

IMO, make sure you add contravention did not occur to your reps. And this is not based on guesswork, it's simply reading their order which is displayed on the board.

Thank you for the reply.

To clarify, the TTRO states that the 2011 order is amended so that the prescribed hours are 24 hours, instead of the 8am-6pm that they currently are. And we are questioning whether this has been adequately represented in the signs that were erected?
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No, the 'no waiting sign' states 8am-6pm; the order states that the amended restriction applies only if the appropriate prescribed traffic signs are placed, the order implies that the restriction is 'at any time' (there's no reference to 8am-6pm), therefore 'appropriate traffic signs' have not been placed, therefore the order has not been implemented correctly and no penalties may be demanded.


But just expect their analysis to skim the surface with 'sign states 8-6 therefore it's 8-6', totally ignoring the substantive issue.
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Why did you park there. If you parked and walked forward from the car the nearest parking sign does not appear to have had a temp sign. And in any case it seems to have been the nearest sign - numerous tribunal appeals have been won on this.
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