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I was given a PCN by Salford Council due to parking on a single yellow line. The Contrention Code is Code:01 - "Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours". The street itself isn't fully yellow lined (opposite side of the road has none)

There has recently been a new no waiting sign installed (I don't know exactly when but will have been recent) and now parking attendants are taking advantage of people not knowing this. The area is near a school so has been frequently used to park for pickup/dropoff of children or visiting an event.

The latest street view is from June 2023, shows there was actually a sign there but was partially covered by tape and has always been covered from memory. I have uploaded 2 photos showing what it shows on street view and what it now looks like.

Is there any way to appeal the PCN based on this?

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For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
both sides of the the unredacted PCN ,
and a GSV link to the location,
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Please have a read of the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of this forum.

Please post up the PCN unredacted.

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Apologies. 3 images now attached. It says no redaction but have redacted PCN number and vehicle information only.
GSV link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/28jCbWKppmnEjcwc7

Related - I assume that if I appeal that the 14 day early reduced payment option freezes until a response happens?

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PCNs served to car or driver, please don't redact anything. For postal PCNs you redact name and address only, and this applies to the subsequent enforcement documents sent by post. Without PCN Number and car reg, we can't go and look at their photos, (assuming there are some).

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OK, here you go

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No photos on council website that I've managed to find, however, this stretch of SYL is relatively short and bounded by the start of the road and the A576.

A driver is expected to look for the traffic sign which details the restriction indicated by the SYL.

It appears the driver didn't.

What was the purpose of being parked?
« Last Edit: July 10, 2025, 02:05:00 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: New "No Waiting" sign and immediate PCNs
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Purpose was a dropoff. Hundreds park here multiple times per day for pickup and dropoff. I didn't notice the new sign.

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Purpose was a dropoff.

Pl elaborate. Who, why, for how long etc...

Not noticing occurred because it sounds like you didn't look - sorry if this sounds harsh, but there's no point dancing around it.

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I was visting my child in school. No I didn't notice the new sign, taking the assumption of what I'd looked at previously which was a covered up sign.

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Apologies if this sounds like an inquisition, but I like to get comprehensive and unadulterated facts upfront because any subsequent argument presented to an adjudicator would carry conviction and more likely to be persuasive.

In parking 'speak', 'I was visiting my child in school' is not 'drop-off'. Having collected my granddaughter from school yesterday, this is not a totally grey area. The time of contravention would rule out routine drop-off for start of school and collecting a child who's not well is not 'visiting'. School play/assembly perhaps? Only you know. 

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I guess here the question is - is it different if I said my child was being picked up from being unwell, or attending a 15 minute event?

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From your perspective the facts are as they are, they don't change because of a subsequent PCN. Once we know these we can advise in the full knowledge that, to mix my metaphors, the wheels won't subsequent fall off the rug under your feet. 

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OK for the sake of the PCN let's say they were unwell. Does this then act as an acceptable appeal?

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I suspect that you know that assisted boarding is an exemption from a waiting restriction.

I leave it to you what account you present to the authority, but not seeing a sign which was in situ (based upon contemporaneous photos) within reasonable distance of your car on a discrete length of SYL is unlikely to succeed at adjudication.